Monitor-Farbraum (Photoshop 6.0)

Ich erforsche gerade das Thema Farbmanagement. Meinen TFT-Monitor habe ich auf der Grundlage eines Hersteller-Farbprofils mit Adobe Gamma kalibriert.
Da der Adobe Gamma Loader in der Autostart-Gruppe liegt, war ich der Meinung, diese Kalibrierung gelte nun fürs komplette System, also nicht nur in Photoshop.
Wenn ich nun in Photoshop als Arbeitsfarbraum "sRGB - IEC61966-2.1" wähle, weichen die Farben deutlich von dem ab, was andere Programme (bzw. Photoshop mit "Farbmanagement aus") anzeigen.
Welche Farbanzeige ist nun die richtige? Und falls die Anzeige in Photoshop stimmt: Wozu war dann die allgemeine Monitorkalibrierung gut, die ja nicht nur ein Monitorprofil erstellt, sondern die ganze Anzeige verändert hat?

Vielleicht war meine Frage unglücklich formuliert. Ich versuche es neu:
Wenn Adobe Gamma dazu dient, ein Monitorprofil zu erstellen (auf dessen Basis Photoshop Farbräume richtig umrechnet), warum ändert sich dann bereits beim Start von Adobe Gamma die Bildschirmdarstellung und innerhalb von Photoshop erneut (bei gewähltem sRGB-Arbeitsfarbraum)? Es würde doch genügen, entweder beim Systemstart die gesamte Monitordarstellung auf sRGB zu trimmen, oder die Monitordarstellung zu belassen und erst innerhalb von Photoshop anhand des ICC-Profils zu konvertieren. Warum wird zweimal die Darstellung geändert?
Oder, noch einfacher gefragt:
Was passiert durch Adobe Gamma beim Systemstart, und welche Rolle spielt Adobe Gamma innerhalb von Photoshop?

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I realize the whole chain must be 10 bit (Adobe -OS - graphics driver - graphics card - display port.
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One manufacturer vs another? I realize Eizo, NEC and LaCie are at the top of the heap. But with my budget, after upgrading my pc and camera equipment, I can't make that work now. So I need to choose from the next group down (Dell, HP, Samsung, Asus...)
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dkg62 wrote:
I realize the whole chain must be 10 bit
Not trying to talk you out of setting up a 10 bit pipeline, but it's still not very mature, and it really isn't a necessity to get a good editing experience.
Personally I find advantage in using two 4:3 ratio monitors for Photoshop work. All my panels are on the right monitor, while pretty much the entire left one shows the Photoshop main window and the working canvas space. My desktop is 3200 x 1200 pixels overall, and I find having the panels remain visible all the time is important.
Regarding whether a wide gamut is important... Will you be printing to devices that deliver a wide gamut? What other things will you be doing with your system?
It's not a no-brainer whether a wider gamut monitor is always "better" for everything, since it can accentuate the differences between the output from color-managed and non-color-managed applications, and it's definitely true that not everything is color-managed. With a monitor that's close to sRGB, for example, you might find Internet Explorer output acceptable, while using a wide gamut monitor will result in garishly oversaturated IE displays. On the other hand, FireFox (with a settings tweak) seems to get color management right, so there is an alternative.
I think, as John has implied above, you should work to get your head completely around how color-management works, soup to nuts. If you don't, there will always be things that are a mystery or which surprise you at the wrong times. Being able to order a print and have it come back with the expected color can be very important, as you might imagine.
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I was wondering if anyone can suggest what the best monitors for photoshop digital painting/editing etc are at the moment??
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