Multiline for a synchronous interface

Friends,
Iam stuck with a webservice issue,
Scenario is File <->BPM <-> Webservice <-> BPM <-> Merge (File + WS) <-> Send
We have to make one sync call per order number (msg), right now the BPM is working for 1 call only. how can we mitigate this issue? iam not able to use multi mapping/ multiline container since its a synchronous call.
Thanks for all your help.
Regards,
Pavan

Check the use of ForEach block in the BPM: /people/milan.thaker/blog/2008/08/05/modes-in-block-step-of-bpm
After the Send step (in the ForEach block) have a Container Operation whose job will be to perform an Append action so that each message received will be appendedand you will get one single message when all the calls are completed to the WS.
If Sync call doesnt work then you will have to split the sync call into an Async Send and Async Receive calls....
Regards,
Abhishek.

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