NaN & Inf in Formula node

Are there no NaN, Inf, -Inf constants in formula nodes? Typing for example "x = NaN;" doesn't work.
I can generate them with 0/0, 1/0, -1/0 but it's not very elegant...

If you want to put Inf or Nan in X and use it in another formula, you can do this.
If you just want to put constants in X indicator or array, just wire them.
Or maybe am I missing something ? what do you want to do ?
hope this helps
Message Edité par JDlabview le 06-17-2010 10:41 AM
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