Oracle BPM / SOA Suite and Big and Complex Scenarios

Hi people,
I have worked for a company that in the past chose Oracle BPM (ALBPM at the time) and one of the big problems that the company had was in relation about big processes and complex scenarios.
This company is for the e-commerce area and our processes can have many instances at the same time, for example, a process to all the "order flow" can have thousands, maybe millions instances at the same time.
So we choose to abort the BPMS option in the past and now we back to talk again about BPMS and one question is always made by the company board: if we use BPM again, the new versions can be support all the our volume data?
To be honestly, I don't have this answer so I like to know if any people here has a paper or report about Oracle BPM 11g and big scenarios with many instances. If anybody has a case too, it will be relevant.
Another and the final question: how does the oracle bpm engine treats the case when my engine reboots and before that the engine had many instances active? The istances will be lost?

11g ADF is not certified with 10g SOA Suite. What I mean by this is that your 11g ADF will need to run on WLS 10.3.1 and SOA Suite 10g will eith run on oc4j or WLS 9.2.
ADF is just JDeveloper, you deploy to WLS 11g (10.3.1).
This is the most detailed 10g SOA Suite guide I know for 10g
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E10291_01/core.1013/e10294/toc.htm
note that it is for 10.1.3.3, you just need to subsitute for 10.1.3.5 (latest release)
cheers
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