Organizing items in menu bar (right side)

I know if I hold down the command button I can drag them, but this only works with stock Apps as far as I can tell. I've got a couple of third party things up there, and they will not obey the command.
Is there any other way?

As zerwas says, there are two types of menu bar items, the one type you can rearrange on the menu bar itself, the other type you can't. The order those items appear is determined by their order in SystemPrefs/Accounts/Login items. Try rearranging them there. However SystemUIServer doesn't always respect its own plist (where the final ordering gets stored). I have one of the second type (non-draggable) in my menu bar and I prefer it to be next to the Spotlight icon. Sometimes upon restart it is in the furthest away position instead. When that happens I launch ActivityMonitor, select SystemUIServer and click Quit, then ForceQuit. It relaunches and always gets the arrangement "right" on relaunch.
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