Pacman - his error messages - and clarity

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[root@gateway ~]# pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
current [################] 100% 41K 12.7K/s 00:00:03
extra [################] 100% 164K 19.9K/s 00:00:08
Targets: abiword-2.0.12-1 dbh-1.0.20-1 doxygen-1.3.9.1-1 evolution-2.0.2-2
evolution-data-server-1.0.2-1 flac-1.1.1-1 gaim-1.0.1-1 gal-2.2.3-1
gdm-2.6.0.5-2 gimp-2.0.5-1 glib2-2.4.7-1 gmp-4.1.4-1
gnome-panel-2.8.1-1 heimdal-0.6.2-1 gnome-vfs-2.8.2-1 gqview-1.4.5-1
jack-audio-connection-kit-0.99.0-1 gst-plugins-0.8.5-1
gstreamer-0.8.7-1 gtk2-2.4.13-1 gtkhtml-3.2.3-1 imagemagick-6.1.1-1
imlib-1.9.15-1 iptables-1.2.11-3 libogg-1.1.2-1 libsoup-2.2.1-1
libtiff-3.6.1-4 libvorbis-1.1.0-1 man-pages-1.69-1 mozilla-1.7.3-1
mozilla-firefox-0.10.1-2 nautilus-2.8.1-1 perl-html-parser-3.36-1
reiserfsprogs-3.6.19-1
Total Package Size: 94.8 MB
Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n]
:: Retrieving packages from current...
abiword-2.0.12-1 [################] 100% 3683K 29.3K/s 00:02:05
doxygen-1.3.9.1-1 [################] 100% 1278K 23.1K/s 00:00:55
gaim-1.0.1-1 [################] 100% 3964K 27.2K/s 00:02:25
gimp-2.0.5-1 [################] 100% 10290K 25.7K/s 00:02:24
glib2-2.4.7-1 [################] 100% 1082K 25.8K/s 00:00:41
gmp-4.1.4-1 [################] 100% 240K 32.0K/s 00:00:07
gqview-1.4.5-1 [################] 100% 298K 25.1K/s 00:00:11
gtk2-2.4.13-1 [################] 100% 6229K 24.6K/s 00:04:13
imagemagick-6.1.1-1 [################] 100% 4317K 24.9K/s 00:02:53
imlib-1.9.15-1 [################] 100% 535K 36.3K/s 00:00:14
iptables-1.2.11-3 [################] 100% 243K 23.2K/s 00:00:10
libogg-1.1.2-1 [################] 100% 19K 14.6K/s 00:00:01
libtiff-3.6.1-4 [################] 100% 450K 23.6K/s 00:00:19
libvorbis-1.1.0-1 [################] 100% 451K 24.2K/s 00:00:18
man-pages-1.69-1 [################] 100% 3638K 28.5K/s 00:02:07
mozilla-firefox-0.10.1-2 [################] 100% 11678K 27.3K/s 00:02:52
reiserfsprogs-3.6.19-1 [################] 100% 441K 29.7K/s 00:00:14
:: Retrieving packages from extra...
dbh-1.0.20-1 [################] 100% 25K 7.9K/s 00:00:03
evolution-2.0.2-2 [################] 100% 10527K 15.9K/s 00:02:31
evolution-data-server-1. [################] 100% 1330K 12.0K/s 00:01:50
flac-1.1.1-1 [################] 100% 587K 20.6K/s 00:00:28
gal-2.2.3-1 [################] 100% 1326K 16.9K/s 00:01:18
gdm-2.6.0.5-2 [################] 100% 2805K 28.6K/s 00:01:38
gnome-panel-2.8.1-1 [################] 100% 2705K 24.5K/s 00:01:50
heimdal-0.6.2-1 [################] 100% 1297K 17.6K/s 00:01:13
gnome-vfs-2.8.2-1 [################] 100% 1479K 27.2K/s 00:00:54
jack-audio-connection-ki [################] 100% 186K 26.6K/s 00:00:07
gst-plugins-0.8.5-1 [################] 100% 1940K 19.0K/s 00:01:42
gstreamer-0.8.7-1 [################] 100% 1511K 21.9K/s 00:01:09
gtkhtml-3.2.3-1 [################] 100% 1246K 20.7K/s 00:01:00
libsoup-2.2.1-1 [################] 100% 222K 29.2K/s 00:00:07
mozilla-1.7.3-1 [################] 100% 16636K 25.8K/s 00:02:12
nautilus-2.8.1-1 [################] 100% 4109K 10.0K/s 00:02:35
perl-html-parser-3.36-1 [################] 100% 78K 24.1K/s 00:00:03
checking package integrity... done.
loading package data... done.
checking for file conflicts...
error: the following file conflicts were found:
heimdal: /usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz: exists in filesystem
errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
[root@gateway ~]# pacman -Ql /usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz
Package "/usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz" was not found.
[root@gateway ~]# pacman -Qo /usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz
/usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz is owned by netkit-rsh 0.17-2
[root@gateway ~]# pacman --version
.--. Pacman v2.9.2
/ _.-' .-. .-. .-. Copyright (C) 2002-2004 Judd Vinet <[email protected]>
'--' This program may be freely redistributed under
the terms of the GNU General Public License
[root@gateway ~]#
Little addon ... maybe pacman could say something about "overwriting" files...
if its intended to.. or should never ever happen... whatever.. maybe with msg's the pkg-distributer made himself (cuz at least he should know WHY of IF it should happen )
this could be achieved by putting info in the pgk that there will be files to overwrite... so the user still is able to say "oh no don't touch it!" if he doesn't want pac'y to do that...
like:
REWORKDESTINATION=" /usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz /foo/bar"
REWORKMESSAGE="1. just cuz im funny... <split> 2. heavy bugs fixed"
[root@gateway ~]# pacman -S heimdal
Targets: heimdal-0.6.2-1
Total Package Size: 1.3 MB
Proceed with upgrade? [Y/n]
checking package integrity... done.
loading package data... done.
checking for file conflicts...
error: the following file conflicts were found:
heimdal: /usr/man/man8/rshd.8.gz: exists in filesystem
reworkinfo: Just cuz im funny...
do you want to overwrite? (YES/no) :_
so you could also -f pac'y and he simply overwrites exept things on the <b>HoldPkg !</b> (so you still feel save with some things )
secondly
it would be nice to make pacman capable to download/install pgk with given versions... but as far as i see there are a lot threats about that
thirdly
it would also be nice if a pkg you install could add things to the pacman.conf like NoUpgrade and HoldPkg. ... eg. updating cups ... it saves the configfiles.. yeah... but as .pacsave and cups is after restarting the deamons unuseable cuz it loads with the new ones ... the other way round would be nicer...
so if you install cups the first time the pkg it self writes into pacman.conf:
NoUpgrade /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/classes.conf /etc/cups/client.conf /etc/cups/mime.convs /etc/cups/mime.types /etc/cups/printes.conf
maybe with a update function like:
Syntax: update(file, method, string1, string2);
example:
update(pacman.conf,add,"NoUpdate NoUpgrade /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/classes.conf /etc/cups/client.conf /etc/cups/mime.convs /etc/cups/mime.types /etc/cups/printes.conf, )
and when you remove the pkg it does automatically:
update(pacman.conf, remove, "NoUpgrade /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/classes.conf /etc/cups/client.conf /etc/cups/mime.convs /etc/cups/mime.types /etc/cups/printes.conf", )
this could also work with a substitute-method so in pkg-updates you can also update pacman.
i think that would heavily increase the power of pacman - wich already is a realy mighty thing

I like 1 and 3.... very good ideas - especially number 1.. it'd be nice to have overwrite functionality in packages
about number 2 - this issue has been brought up ad nauseum.... Arch is considered by users and developers a "bleeding edge distro" - that is, Arch uses the newest packages, assuming they work. allowing users to manually grab a non-bleeding edge package, or even downgrade their packages is, for lack of a better phrase, against policy. If something is not functional in a given package, then Arch as a whole should be downgraded until the package is working. If a new version replaces the old with differing functionality, the packages should be installed side-by-side (as is the case with gtk1 & gtk2, imlib & imlib2, and many more).
In a bleeding edge distro, downgrading a package simply because a user "likes SomePackage 0.9 better than 1.0" is not worthwhile. Package management would become so much more difficult and require much more space.
If there is a problem with a package (i.e. "I upgraded to Blah 0.6.5 from 0.6.3 and it doesn't work now") then the problem is most likely on your system and should be fixed. Blame the developers, blame yourself, whatever... the fact of the matter is you need to expect this sort of thing with Arch...

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