Panasonic DVX100 (original) should I shoot in 24p or 30p?

Hey,
Working on my first feature and will be editing in Final Cut Express HD 3.5. Want our dailies to look progressive scan and filmic should I shoot and edit in 30p?
Chris

I know for the most part you want progressive
That's not necessarily true.  For Blu-ray or DVD delivery, 30i would be the better option over 30p or 60p, as 30i can go onto disk "as-is", without any frame rate conversions.
I think the choice on this is purely aesthetic.  Do you want the look of film (24p) or the look of video (30i)?
Personally, I shoot everything at 24 fps these days.

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    This question comes up from time to time in this and other forums. Clearly, the answer would be to shoot in HD if the final result will be delivered in HD. But what if the final result will be delivered in SD, such as DVD? Does it still make sense to shoot in HD, or will the results not be worth the extra hassle? Here we enter a sort of gray area.
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