Panther to Leopard 10.5

Hi,
I have a PowerMac G5 with the following specs below.
I have been running Panther since I bought the machine .
My optical drive will not read DVD's I burned myself, however, it will read commercial DVD's. It has been suggested in other forums to:
1. replace the internal optical Superdrive.
2. buy an external drive to burn and read DVD's/CD's.
A new external drive will require an upgrade , which I want to do anyway. I have two internal hard drives.
My upgrade questions are:
1. Buy Tiger, even thought support will not be available from Apple soon enough.
2. Go with Leopard 10.5, even though it has a lot of stuff that I will probably not use, like Front Row, Boot Camp or Photo Booth.
3. Is 10.5 written for Intel processors, or will it work on the PowerPC G5.
4. Will I need to add more memory? It has 1GB.
5. Will my original mouse and keyboard work, as well as any Flashdrives, and Firewire stuff?
Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks.
Machine Model:Power Mac G5
CPU Type: PowerPC 970 (2.2)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 1.8 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 900 MHz

If you hope to use the MyBook drive to support bootable clones or secondary
systems of the OS X type, be sure it is one of the capable FireWire drives with
a chipset based on the Oxford-type circuitry & become familiar with the process.
From reading around, not everyone who has one is convinced they are OK.
Your iDVD projects may transfer into a newer version of iDVD, but newer works
from a later iDVD version won't generally be backward compatible. The older
works, once converted, likely won't be backward compatible again.
There may be a good reason to have a partitioned drive in an external FireWire
enclosure if it is expected to boot clones, so you could have more than one boot
clone/copy within it, and have each one contain apps related to the OS X version.
Also, complete computer clones, of everything, can be handy to have; for more
than just backup or restore; just be sure whatever external drive unit you get for
those purposes, is large enough capacity for several partitions, and is bootable
in OS X, so the unit would support viable clones and backup purposes. Some of
the newer drives have FW400/800 and USB2.0; some have eSATA also. A few
fair examples of such drives are available on the OWC site.
There is such a difference between Panther and Leopard 10.5, an upgrade over
Panther, to Leopard is usually not a good idea; to have a clone of the older OS X
and apps that can boot the computer (at least for a time, until you are fully moved
into the Leopard 10.5 system) is a good way to slowly migrate; and build up the
10.5 system to replace the old Panther system, with suitable newer software.
Hopefully the upgrade goes well.
Good luck & happy computing!

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Upgrading from Panther to Leopard

Hello,
I wanted to upgrade my Powerbook G4 from Panther to Leopard. Was told I needed to upgrade to Tiger first then to Leopard. I bought the Leopard installation CD and will be using the Tiger installation CD that came with my MacBook. Am I good to go? I already enabled the "root" user and is trying to back up my files (which I have another problem with --- been getting error messages such as 1.) "One or more items can't be copied. Do you want to skip them and copy the remaining items? 2.) You cannot copy the item "Icon" because the name is too long or includes characters that the disk cannot display."
Would very much appreciate any help I could get =)
Many thanks!

As already mentioned you do not need to upgrade first to Tiger. In any event you cannot use an Intel version of Tiger on a PPC Mac or vice-versa. Fortunately, you can upgrade directly to Leopard from Panther or you can do an Archive and Install which is what I would recommend:
How to Perform an Archive and Install
1. Be sure to use Disk Utility first to repair the disk before performing the Archive and Install.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported, then quit DU and return to the installer.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.0 for Tiger) and/or TechTool Pro (4.5.2 for Tiger) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
2. Do not proceed with an Archive and Install if DU reports errors it cannot fix. In that case use Disk Warrior and/or TechTool Pro to repair the hard drive. If neither can repair the drive, then you will have to erase the drive and reinstall from scratch.
3. Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When you reach the screen to select a destination drive click once on the destination drive then click on the Option button. Select the Archive and Install option. You have an option to preserve users and network preferences. Only select this option if you are sure you have no corrupted files in your user accounts. Otherwise leave this option unchecked. Click on the OK button and continue with the OS X Installation.
4. Upon completion of the Archive and Install you will have a Previous System Folder in the root directory. You should retain the PSF until you are sure you do not need to manually transfer any items from the PSF to your newly installed system.
5. After moving any items you want to keep from the PSF you should delete it. You can back it up if you prefer, but you must delete it from the hard drive.
6. You can now download a Combo Updater directly from Apple's download site to update your new system to the desired version as well as install any security or other updates. You can also do this using Software Update.
DO NOT ENABLE THE ROOT USER!! It is not recommended nor necessary for backing up your data. Copying files is not how you do a proper backup. Read the following:
Basic Backup
Get an external Firewire drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):
1. Retrospect Desktop (Commercial - not yet universal binary)
2. Synchronize! Pro X (Commercial)
3. Synk (Backup, Standard, or Pro)
4. Deja Vu (Shareware)
5. PsynchX 2.1.1 and RsyncX 2.1 (Freeware)
6. Carbon Copy Cloner (Freeware - 3.0 is a Universal Binary)
7. SuperDuper! (Commercial)
8. Intego Personal Backup (Commercial)
9. Data Backup (Commercial)
The following utilities can also be used for backup, but cannot create bootable clones:
1. Backup (requires a .Mac account with Apple both to get the software and to use it.)
2. Toast
3. Impression
4. arRSync
Apple's Backup is a full backup tool capable of also backing up across multiple media such as CD/DVD. However, it cannot create bootable backups. It is primarily an "archiving" utility as are the other two.
Impression and Toast are disk image based backups, only. Particularly useful if you need to backup to CD/DVD across multiple media.
Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQs on maintenance, optimization, virus protection, and backup and restore. Also read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files.
Although you can buy a complete FireWire drive system, you can also put one together if you are so inclined. It's relatively easy and only requires a Phillips head screwdriver (typically.) You can purchase hard drives separately. This gives you an opportunity to shop for the best prices on a hard drive of your choice. Reliable brands include Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital, Toshiba, and Fujitsu. You can find reviews and benchmarks on many drives at Storage Review.
Enclosures for FireWire and USB are readily available. You can find only FireWire enclosures, only USB enclosures, and enclosures that feature multiple ports. I would stress getting enclosures that use the Oxford chipsets (911, 921, 922, for example.) You can find enclosures at places such as;
Cool Drives
OWC
WiebeTech
Firewire Direct
California Drives
NewEgg
All you need do is remove a case cover, mount the hard drive in the enclosure and connect the cables, then re-attach the case cover. Usually the only tool required is a small or medium Phillips screwdriver.
Note that before doing your backup you should do the following:
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now shutdown the computer for a couple of minutes and then restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.1 for Leopard) and/or TechTool Pro (4.6.1 for Leopard) to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.

Upgrade from Panther to Leopard

After buying an iPhone 3GS, I think it's time to finally perform a software upgrade. The newest versions of Firefox and Safari browsers don't run on Panther either. I want to hang on to my 5 year old G4 iMac for at least a couple more years and now have a Leopard pack ready to install (also iLife 09 and iWork 09).
I have a 1GB PC2700 SODIMM on the way, which would raise my total RAM to 1.25 GB. Should I wait until the new RAM is installed before starting the install of Leopard, or would that make little difference?
I have some older software that gets regular use and want to be sure it will still work after Leopard is installed:
1. Quicken 2004 for basic checkbook balancing and account management (don't do any online stuff).
2. Apple Works 6
3. MS Office 2004 for Mac
Plenty of photos saved on iPhoto 4.0.3 and a full music library on iTunes 7.7.1.
Is it safe to go ahead and pop in the Leopard DVD and get this install going, or are there other steps I need to take to avoid losing data from the older programs above?
Thanks for your help!!

If you currently only have 256mb of RAM, you will have to wait. Leopard's minimum is 512mb.
Going from Panther to Leopard is a big jump. Hopefully, you have an external FireWire drive that is at least the size of the iMac's internal drive. What I would do is clone the current internal drive startup volume to the external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper. Restart using the clone to make sure it works properly, as if you are starting up normally from the internal drive.
While started up from the external clone, run Disk Utility. Run +Repair Disk+ (on the +First Aid+ tab) on the internal drive.
Once you are satisfied that the clone is working properly, disconnect it. It will serve as your backup. You should always have a current backup (of at least your personal data) when doing a major system update. You can now install Leopard on your internal drive. If something goes wrong or if something critical does not work properly under Leopard, you can always restart from your external clone of the previous system, then clone it back to the internal drive. You'll be back to your pre-Leopard state, so you can try it again.
You can then trouble-shoot potential problems and try again. You can also use the +Archive and Install+ option to install Leopard, which retains your user settings and data but gives you a fresh system. The default installation method installs Leopard over the existing system, and that can somethings cause problems; for example, you may have third-party system extensions installed that are not compatible with Leopard.

Panther to Leopard or Tiger for G5 Imac

Hello,
I am in the process of trying to back up my computer. I bought an external drive that has software that is compatible with OS X10.4.8+. I have panther which is X10.3.x and cannot use the software to back up my data. If I do not upgrade my operating system what is the best plan and how do I back up the data I have on my computer? I am considering upgrading to Tiger because it was the last operating system designed just for the G5 chip. Leopard scares me because I have not read anything about it that is positive with an older non Intel chip imac. Anyone have good experiences with Leopard and their G5 imac? Time machine on Leopard is interesting to me and would be the main reason to update but if the whole operating system does not work well with the G5 imac then I have not improved my computer.
Mark

Use SuperDuper! to make an exact bootable clone of your system to your external firewire drive. That way, if anything goes wrong, and it shouldn't, you will have everything saved.
A hint, when you have installed Leopard, use the [10.5.6 combo updater|http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1056co mboupdate.html] to get yourself up-to-date.
Do post back and let us know how things went,

From Panther to Leopard?

I recently added more memory to my ibook G4 purchased in April of 2004. I now have 640 MB RAM and a 1G processor. Wondering if I can go from my Panther OS to Leopard? Or is Tiger wiser?
Here are my machine specs:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Model: iBook G4
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
Memory: 640 MB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.7.7f0
Serial Number: UV40**PH0 <Edited by Moderator>
DIMM0/BUILT-IN:
Size: 128 MB
Type: Built-in
Speed: Built-in
DIMM1/J31:
Size: 512 MB
Type: DDR SDRAM
Speed: PC2100U-25330
FireWire Bus:
Speed: 400 Mb/sec Speed

Go directly to Leopard. Before embarking on that venture, et a bootable, external HD, and make a bootable backup/clone before upgrading/updating and ensure that works like the original. That allows you to revert to the previous good state without having to reinstall anything. See these for details:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106941
http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html
http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/installswupdates.html
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/backuprecovery.html
Once that's finished, review these for installation options:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5757385
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5666369
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5646414

Upgrading an IMac G5 OSX 10.3.9 from Panther to Leopard?

I have been given contradictory info from the Apple sales dept. I have been told I could upgrade to
Leopard...and that I could only use Tiger. What is the truth? My Safari quits frequently and I can not
interface with some websites properly. So not sure Tiger would be that helpful? Help?

If the Flash, Shockwave and possibly Java (among other) items are not up to date, or if you are using an
obsolete browser to visit modern web pages, this may manifest itself as an issue in Panther 10.3.9 & later.
There is no really new Java update for Panther, so that probably is as far as it goes. The Flash & Shock-
wave items, in the proper version for Panther support, and removal of old versions, is often the issue.
Safari is not updated for Panther. You can choose to get Camino (mozilla) and it supports Panther 10.3.9
as well as the newer Mac OS X systems. The Adobe Flash player and Shockwave items often require a
previous version be uninstalled prior to installing a newer one. With Panther, you have to be sure you can
get a newer player item before you trash the old version. One of these players includes an uninstaller in
their download .dmg; the other you have to manually remove the offending parts to uninstall. This will allow
the newer supported Shockwave and Flash player items to install.
These two players generally work across several browsers. Your Safari browser may be beyond these up-
dates. A newer Safari is not supported by your older Panther 10.3.9. And generally, an upgrade may not help
an issue where certain updates or free downloads and installations where overlooked in an older version.
The field would change & other newer items would need to be gotten (also) & updated in the newer system.
If the computer can support it. Sometimes, this may mean adding RAM, a larger hard disk drive, and other
hardware upgrades. A newer system could allow you continued use with later versions of apps.
For ideas on what computer hardware configurations support which OS X versions, you could get a free
download of a database that runs offline once you get it, from http://mactracker.ca and read about yours.
Other causes of general system slowness include a lack of working free space on the hard disk drive,
and the need to perform maintenance on a routine basis. Insufficient chip RAM installed may also be
an area where changes could be made in the hardware configuration of the computer if it is slow.
Good luck & happy computing!
{edited}

Upgrade from Panther to Tiger or Panther to Leopard

I'm operating a Powerbook 15" with a 1.33 G4 and 256MB RAM. I believe the specs for Leopard call for 512MB RAM. The question I have is, am I better off going with Leopard and upgrading the RAM or should I just go with Tiger and upgrade the OS?
A little background to help...I'm upgrading my OS more out of necessity (very quickly, everything is becoming incompatible with Panther -- like Flash, TurboTax, etc.). I don't want to upgrade to Tiger tomorrow and find myself in need of Leopard next week...if that makes sense.
Thoughts?

Upgrade the RAM regardless of which OS you install. Personally, I prefer Tiger because some of the apps I use regularly are still not yet compatible with Leopard and possibly never will be. I also had performance issues the first time installed Leopard, but after a couple of reinstalls I found the install process made a lot of difference to the performance of the install. My conclusion, Leopard is like that little girl who had a little curl right in the middle of her forehead. When she was good she was very good, but when Leopard is bad it is horrid.

Panther to Leopard

I've seen this topic discussed but haven't seen my particular problem. I can't get the computer to accept the Leopard DVD as it is ejected after a few moments. I have no clue what other problems I may run into but I would at least like to start the process. I found solutions regarding downloading firmware Tiger but haven't seen anything for Panther. Thanks in advance for any help.

I have done some more searching and found that this is not uncommon. However, to be clear, I don't get any messages, or icons, or error messages, or anything else. The dvd is simply ejected and I am exactly where I was a few moments before.

Panther to leopard install

Have taken a G5 twin out of mothballs and tried to install leopard over panther - error message says no 10.4 or later detected and aborts install - so unable to make it to archive install option.
Any suggestions please?
Thank you

Leopard 10.5.x is supported in early G5 PowerPC computers.
If you have a retail full installer and not an upgrade disc which
may require a previous near-version of OS X to get there; and
do not have a machine-specific version of OS X that was made
to be used in only one series/model of computer, 10.5 can do it.
See: MacTracker for some handy details on each system.
http://mactracker.ca - this is a free downloadable database.
You may have to get another hard disk drive and ready that for
an all new installation of Leopard; and be sure there is enough
chip RAM installed in the computer to support Leopard well.
If there are two drive bays available, the new system should be
in a place of its own since the older apps and parts won't work
with the newer OS X; or some of them may be sketchy or odd.
Better to cut loose with the older stuff and if possible, you could
have that older system & its apps on a different drive; if you have
the original OS X installer discs and can maintain 10.3 correctly.
And if you do try the two OSX idea, note that some documents
will not like to be made in one version of an application then be
forced to adapt to the older version, since they don't do it well.
Plus, some applications may need to be reinstalled if they still
are Leopard capable, with password or serial number if they
are third party; these also don't like drag/drop moves.
With Panther 10.3.x, have you seen what the automatic
Software Updates selection offers to load, when you run
it? You could still get by for awhile with Panther 10.3.9 &
use a new Camino browser, without much pain. Be sure
you run 'repair disk permissions' in Disk Utility between
any/all system or software installations or updates.
{You may wish to start a new thread of your own so it
will be seen as such, and you will see all new replies.}
Good luck in any event, & happy computing!

Panther to Leopard...what do I need to do?

I have a 1.8GHz PowerPC iMac G5 which is currently running on Panther 10.3.9. I want to upgrade to Leopard, but attempting to do this using a disc version failed as my Mac doesn't have enough memory. The DIMM0/J4000 memory slot is empty at the moment and I've been told the solution is to buy some more RAM.
The question then is - how much more memory do I need? Is this all I need to do to convert my Mac to Leopard?
Also the guy in the London Apple store told me Apple don't sell RAM for Power PCs any more and gave me the address of another website but from looking on the Apple Store it appears that they do stock it? Any suggestions would be welcome! Thanks

Hi abi145!
You also must use a Full Retail Version, of the Leopard Install DVD.
The disc should look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on it.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Repost if that is not what you have.
ali b

Should I upgrade my iphoto panther to Leopard or export and fresh install?

My Panther iphoto library got corrupted some how and I had to create a new library. I did not like this because it changed all the order of my photos and I could not organize them the way they were. I still have the corrupted library on my hard drive. I never deleted it for fear that I did not get all of my photos onto the new library. I think I pretty much did but not for sure. The dates that I imported the original library pics were all correct. Now that I had to redo the library half the dates are wrong because it's going by the created dates on the photos instead of the day they were imported. It's all very confusing to me.
Anyway.....now, I just purchased a copy of Leopard. I was thinking of doing a fresh install instead of upgrading my g4 in hopes that I would start with a clean slate. Only problem is trying to back up all those photos and then reimporting them. Do you guys think I should not mess with it or buy a firewire external hard drive, export or back up my files, do a fresh install and then re-import? One of the reasons I also want to start fresh is because my daughter went in and started deleting a bunch of folders she did not think she needed and I had to get thousands of files out of the trash. I don't know if I put everything back into the correct place. Come to think of it. My itunes library was corrupted as well and I had to create another one of those. So I have 4 libraries of music and photos filling up my 120 gig hard drive. Sounds like a good time for a fresh install upgrade right???
Tim

Anyway.....now, I just purchased a copy of Leopard.
iPhoto '08 is not included on the Leopard upgrade - it is on the iLife '08 upgrade (a separate purchase from the OS)
And upgrading the software will not fix a corrupted library - you need to have a good clean working library before you upgrade iPhoto
LN

Panther and leopard clients on a tiger server...expected problems...

I wanted to share a scenario that is happening in the school district I work for and see if anyone has had any experiences similar and can offer some advise before I blindly proceed.
One of the schools I work in uses a single 10.4x server, and all the users in the school have a network account where they can log into managed work groups.
The computers are all running 10.3x and I have had no problems at all. Users are able to log in, see their network home folders, launch all the allowed applications.
The school is purchasing 76 new Imac computers with the new 10.5 OS on them and I was wondering what kind of problems users might experience when logging into these new workstations if they are bound to the existing server.
I was able to bind a 10.5 mac to the 10.4 server and was able to log in using a network account, see the items that were in my network home folder, launch applications I was permitted to launch and was denied applications denied in the applications preference in workgroup manager for the workgroup I was logged in to.
This is very preliminary testing and was wonder what some of you who are in similar situations have experienced.
Another concern is best described by painting a scenario.
A user logs onto a 10.3 computer and launches an application like imovie, an older version of imovie, and does some work on a project. He then saves it and moves to one of the new imacs with 10.5 on it and a newer version of imovie.
Will the newer version of the application run with the older preference files for it.
Will the preference files be rewritten and if so will the old version of imovie be able to read those or will it try and rewrite them.
Will the project created with the old version of imovie be readable by the new version.
Will the new version of imovie update the project file and if so with the old version of imovie still be able to open it?
I seem to remember reading something about how panther wrote preference files for applications completely differently than tiger did, and if so then can I expect the same for leopard client written pref files.
As you can see I have lots of questions and if I can learn from other peoples experiences then I can go into this knowing a little bit on what I can expect and hopefully this wont be a big disaster.
Mark
SD34

Will the newer version of the application run with the older preference files for it.
While I dont know this for certain, I do know that when I did an archive and install (which copies the old preferences for applications as well as the apps themselves to the new system folder) things have worked fine. I think the preference-writing scheme depends on the individual program version, and minor updates to the program (ie: Safari 3.0.3b vs 3.0.4) shouldnt change this.
Will the preference files be rewritten and if so will the old version of imovie be able to read those or will it try and rewrite them.
When you modify any preferences the files will be rewritten. If the programs have similar versions then they should be fine. All preferences are written to the same directory (~/Library/Preferences/) so if the program versions are the same then the preferences will be written similarly.
Will the project created with the old version of imovie be readable by the new version.
I'm assuming you mean going from iMovie HD to iMovie '08. I've not done this personally, but as far as I know the files will import, but the transistions and other special effects that are only available in the older version of iMovie will be removed. The media files and sequences should be preserved.
Will the new version of imovie update the project file and if so with the old version of imovie still be able to open it?
I dont know about the old version of iMovie being able to import the new version's projects, but the new version will update the projects when you save it.
I seem to remember reading something about how panther wrote preference files for applications completely differently than tiger did, and if so then can I expect the same for leopard client written pref files.
I believe the writing of preference files usually depends on the individual application, not the system.

Panther to Leopard upgrade

Can I upgrade directly to Leopard from Panther?
I have a Powerbook G4 running 10.3.9
Also will Apple discount Tiger once Leopard is released?
Thanks

Also will Apple discount Tiger once Leopard is released?
Apple's discount only applies to Qualifying Macs purchased on or after October 1st. There are discounts for Federal and Military employees, as well as educators, and college students. The October 1st discount has an unknown variable which previous up to date programs were more certain about, which is whether or not it can install on a new or erased hard drive, with or without a Time Machine backup. If you qualify on any of your Macs, be sure to hold on to your original installation disks, just in case neither works on an erased or new hard drive. No one here at this time knows if it will, and won't until at least October 26th.
Also what is not known is how well will it upgrade from 10.3.9 to 10.5. If previous Archive and Installs are any indication it usually shouldn't be a problem. However, to protect yourself at minimum backup your data at least twice as my FAQ* explains:
http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html
At most, follow all these precautions*, which I will update once I get a chance to test Leopard sometime in November:
http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html
- * Links to my pages may give me compensation.
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Upgrade from panther to leopard-partition new macintosh hard drive?

hello,
i have some upgrade questions:
i have a mac g5, dual 2.5 with 4 gigs of ram in it. i've been running logic pro 7.1.1 for the last three and half years or so on panther, never switched up to tiger. my computer hasn't been running so great so recently, (problems with audio midi setup in logic, and with i-tunes) and also my mac hd is almost full. i bought leopard and logic 8. before trying an installation i used carbon copy cloner 3.01 to make bootable clone of my my hard drive onto an external firewire drive, (it boots up fine, albeit with the same little wierd issues as the original hard drive) would it make sense, since my hard drive is so full anyway, to buy a larger internal hard drive to replace the original hard drive, partition it somehow into two parts, clone the clone back to one of the partitions to have my panther setup on an ATA, then install leopard on the other half? would i risk bringing the wierdnesses back, or would they only be confined to the one leopard partition. is this even possible? if so, how would i do it?
thanks!
dave

What makes sense to me it to just leave the old Panther install on the original drive and install a new faster 500 GB internal drive for Leopard. Your PowerMac can have more than 1 internal drive and can boot from any drive with an OS on it.
I would not do an upgrade install with all the old and apparently corrupt files in your old system. Leopard has proven that if you start out with a less than perfect system, the upgrade will make it worse. The list of strange behaviors and problems that look like bugs on this forum is very long and you would be importing your existing wierdness and possibly just make it worse. There are several programs that actually break the upgrade so that it won't even boot.
Download the 10.5.2 Combo Update from Apple. Install OS 10.5 fresh to the new drive. Repair Permissions using Disk Utility. Install the 10.5.2 update and Repair Permissions again.
If you want your iLife applications you will need to get them from the Bundled Software installer on your original setup discs for Panther or you can buy the latest versions separately (iLife is not included on the Leopard Retail DVD).
Use Software Update to get the latest versions of just about all your Apple programs and Repair Permissions again. Install your new Logic Pro and new Leopard versions of all your applications. If a program isn't updated for Leopard make sure there are no problems with it from it's support group. If it's no longer supported don't use it and find a replacement program that is.
Setup your email preferences and accounts fresh. You can import your messages later, along with your other data files that are important. If you don't spend a few hours setting up your new fresh OS properly, you will spend weeks trying to get a broken upgrade to work. You stand a much better chance if you don't start out badly.
Depending on it's size, the external drive can be used for Time Machine for awhile or to clone your Leopard installation to in case you ignore my recommendation for a fresh install and go ahead with the update.

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