PDS,PPM,supply chain model,production version in R/3

Dear Guys,
can some one help me to find the key difference between
1)PDS,PPM,Supply chain Model and production version in R/3
Thanks
Raj

One major difference between PDS & PPM is that PPMs can be edited in APO whereas PDS cannot be modified in APO. Any changes required for PDS needs to be done to the relevant R/3 master data and then CIFed to APO.
Choice PDS v/s PPM?
Functionally both are fine and can be used. However SAP recommends using PDS since it will not support any new enhancements for PPMs going forward. For some reason they want to encourage use of PDS rather than PPMs.
- Srinidhi

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Assign PDS to Supply Chain Model

Hello APO folks:
I have successfully CIFed PDS over to APO (SCM 5.0), and checked it in transaction /SAPAPO/CURTO_SIMU - Display Production Data Structures, Was wondering how do I allocate this PDS (PP/DS type) to my supply chain model in SCE.
Thank you in advance.
Mono

Hello Mono,
As I know there is no standard way in which you can copy the PDS data from one version to another for simulation in APO.
but, this can be achieved by using transfer of the PDS data to inactive version from R/3. i.e in transaction CURTO_CREATE by specifying the inactive version.
The second way can be by using BAPI_PDSSRVAPS_SAVEMULTI to save a new PDS by specifying the version field with the inactive version.
In this case one can fill the tables using report FUNCTION_LOADER_INLAY or can be filled manually.
for the first case, I do not know why you are facing the message "No Transfer Relevant Data found".
Please check whether you have specified the inactive version name which has been created for simulation in APO.
and also try to create a new production version in R/3 and use this for inactive version transfer.
As you observe Simulation version is unique across the models. and you cannot use the same version name in different models.
hence, only the version field exists in the CURTO_CREATE transaction.
Regards,
Hemanth

PDS are not displayed in supply chain model SCC07

Hi,
Does anyone know if it is possible to add PDS to supply chain model (transaction SCC07)? currently i don't see this option (we are not using IPPE in the ECC).

Hello,
You can not see PDS in SCC07. Note that PDS are not even part of the menu.
You can also see that the SAP Help does not mention PDS in the documentation of the Supply Chain Engineer (SCC07):
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_scm50/helpdata/en/4c/e1af376ed96c21e10000009b38f8cf/content.htm?frameset=/en/40/f5ae37fdcf3…
Kind Regards,
Mariano

Linking SNP PPM to desired ECC production version

Hi
We have a need where we manually create SNP PPMs and so the APO and ECC have no connection in terms of the PPM or production version.
I have two SNP PPM1, PPM2 in APO and I have two production versions in SAP ECC, VA and VB.
The requirement is to some how maintain a table in APO where we can choose to map the SNP PPM to ECC production version.
something like
SNP PPM1 and PPM2 both need to refer to version VB so that an SNP planned order pushed into ECC would automatically pick up production version VB.
Appreciate if any one can throw some light on how we can create a user maintained table or Z transaction in APO to achieve this.

Hello KA,
Could you please let me know why you want to change the source of supply in ECC only?
Do you have PPDS? If yes then you can have one source of supply for that production version VB and transfer these orders to ECC system.
Apart from that if you want to do the development then check FM /SAPAPO/DM_PROD_ORDER_CHG_OLTP inside that with your own custom logic you can update the production version.
Best Regards,
R.Brahmankar

Supply chain modeling of subcontraction process using SNP

Dear Experts,
I am in the phase of designing my supply chain business process in APO
We have two plants
Plant u2013 A (manufacturing )
Plant u2013 B (distribution center)
Subcontractors - for Plant A
Subcon-1
Subcon-2
Subcon-3
Subcon-4
Subcon-5
Subcon-6
Subcon-7
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Customer
Products
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When forecast is done in demand planning an send to SNP , system must give planned order on the basis of available capacity , low cost of production of the my subcontractor ,I believe I need to use SNP optimization
Does SNP Optimizer can serve my requirement
Also how do I need to define my subcontractor either as DC location or just a MRP area
Please do not hesitate to ask more details if you are not clear my requirement
Thanks & Regard
Raj

Hi Raju,
The Optimizer should serve your requirement as it considers the capacity constraints and can be used for finite planning. Regarding subcontracting location , you can map it as either a DC location or a Subcontractor location. Better way would be to map it as a subcontracting location. Mapping it as just MRP area would not serve as you want it to consider during the finite planning runs for optimizer.
Let me know if it helps
Regards
Gaurav Mathur

Manufacturing product Guide, supply chain management product guide

Hi
where can i find the product guide for Manufacturing analytics and supply chain and order management
Thanks in advance

Check this doc ID 1347131.1
Re: OBIA 7.9.6.4 documentation
Edited by: Srini VEERAVALLI on Apr 24, 2013 11:44 AM

PPM not getting created when ECC Production version is changed

Hi,
We are facing a problem with PPMs.
We changed the Production version in ECC for the corresponding Material in ECC from 5000 to 6000.
We then ran the RSPPMCHG and then generated and activated the PPM Integration Model.
No queues inbound (APO) or Outbound (APO) were blocked. \
The result was that the 5000 PPM was deactivated in APO but we could not find the 6000 PPM version anywhere.
Can anyone please help??
Regards
Abhishek Sahi

Hi,
Refer notes 448085 PPM Transfer: Tips and Tricks
Aslo after generating and Activating the IM, run the report RSPPMCHG ( Tcode - CFP3)
Thanks,
nandha
Edited by: S.Nandakumar on Oct 8, 2010 10:05 AM

Product deletion using supply chain engineer

Hi all,
we need to delete a large number of products in APO. One way to do it is
1. delete all dependencies (master and transaction data)
2. set deletion flag (using massd)
3. run the programme /SAPAPO/DELETE_PRODUCTS
i just want to know if there is any way to delete large number of products using supply chain engineer? i have deleted dependencies and has set deletion flag but my client is insisting on deletion using supply chain engineer (god knows why)
does anyone know if this is possible? if yes, then please let me know how it can be done.

Hi ,
Yes correct.
If client insists, you can at the most use the SCE to delete the products from work area and model.
However for permanenet deletion you need to follow the steps you have given correctly given( last 2 out of 3 and first step 1 is required before you want to delete from the model).
I hope this will help to clarify.
Regards
Datta

Production Version in R/3 & PDS in APO

Hi Team,
I have below master data settings in R/3:
1. Material Master
2. BOM
Note:
I do not have work center & routing in R/3. I have set the default operation for my order type in OPJG.
But as per system landscape, the planning will be performed in APO. Hence i need to CIF the production version to APO from R/3. But i do not have routing in R/3. Is it possible to create the production version without routing (in R/3)?
Thanks

Yes, It can be transferred. You need to create CIF integration model(CFM1) with "BOM" option selected.
SAP Help says following -
Material BOM in Integration Model
If you set this indicator, all bills of material that correspond to the
stated selection options are indcluded in your model.
Dependencies
The material BOM filter object can only be used in connection with the
production data structure (iPPE) and it is used to map phantom assemblies.
Only those bills of material are transferred for materials for which no
production production versions have been created.
Hope this will help.
Thank you
Satish Waghmare

Multiple Production Versions in Subcontracting Inforecord

Hi Gurus - I have a question on how to assign multiple production versions in Sub-contracting Inforecord?
I heard this functionality is available in ECC 6.0 is that true? If so how can I assign multiple production versions? What happens after we CIF across to APO? Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks and regards,
Murali.

Murali - Its possible to use multiple PV in sub contracting.
Settings in ERP :
1. In CFC9 activate the - Transfer multiple selection of PDS indicator. When you select this indicator, the system allows you to select several productions versions in the integration model; it also creates a Production Process Model (PPM) or Production Data Structure (PDS) for each production version in SAP SCM
2. Assign the PV's to the subcontracting info record through - Logistics - Central Functions - Supply Chain Planning Interface - Core Interface - Advanced Planner and Optimizer - Environment - Data Transfer -Assign Multiple Production Versions
3. When you select the integration model parameters for PDS, you have selected PP/DS Subcontracting as the PDS Type value. Similarly, for PPM, you have selected Subcontracting PPM as the Type of PPM value.
Subcontracting with multiple production versions is supported. However, the integration with an SAP ERP system requires at least SAP ERP 2005 with Enhancement Pack 03.
Rgds
Valavan

Costing - Multiple Production Versions and Recursive BoMs

Hi All,
We have a production and product costing scenario as follows:
Production versions 10, 20 and 30. It takes all three versions to manufacture the finished material and there are no intermediate products in this scenario. 10 and 30 are to be costed and 30 is a recursive BoM with the input from version 10 also being the output. 10 is the main production step with components but 30 is a recursive BoM sometimes only with the output material as the input and sometimes with a more complete BoM but which includes the output material as an input component.
The quantity input appears to be the same as quantity output for the recursive element.
If anyone has come across this scenario and you can let me know what design principles you followed I would appreciate it.
We are getting iteration error messages when costing production version 30 and even reducing the input quantity below 95% of the input as per the SAP documentation does not fix the error message.
Any help you can give will be greatefully received.
Thanks.
Regards,
Tim

Murali - Its possible to use multiple PV in sub contracting.
Settings in ERP :
1. In CFC9 activate the - Transfer multiple selection of PDS indicator. When you select this indicator, the system allows you to select several productions versions in the integration model; it also creates a Production Process Model (PPM) or Production Data Structure (PDS) for each production version in SAP SCM
2. Assign the PV's to the subcontracting info record through - Logistics - Central Functions - Supply Chain Planning Interface - Core Interface - Advanced Planner and Optimizer - Environment - Data Transfer -Assign Multiple Production Versions
3. When you select the integration model parameters for PDS, you have selected PP/DS Subcontracting as the PDS Type value. Similarly, for PPM, you have selected Subcontracting PPM as the Type of PPM value.
Subcontracting with multiple production versions is supported. However, the integration with an SAP ERP system requires at least SAP ERP 2005 with Enhancement Pack 03.
Rgds
Valavan

Use of Supply Chain Engineer

Hi,
What's the use of Supply Chain Engineer (Tcode:/SAPAPO/SCC07)? Does the APO implementation project really needs it?
And let me know in which case do we generally use it.
- Ram.

Hi Ram,
This is fully integrated APO component for creating models
which performs planning functions which covers network
chain, supplier, customer.
We can use this functionality to create & maintain models
in a network in a typical supply chain. A model in turn can
link to various versions (both active and simulations).
We can also have an eye watch of supply chain elements
like various products, master data like lanes, quota, resources,
ppm etc.,
We can also use this tool to execute queries so that it comes
with information about individual data.
Regards
R. Senthil Mareeswaran.

Wrong production version picked for planned order in ecc after CIF

Dear experts,
I am new to apo and was working on Cif of transactional data to ecc after planning run in Apo.
we have active integration model and all the master data cifed in apo.
we are cifing ppds ppm which is converted into snp ppm.
The scenario is:
We have a product FG100 at Loc1. For this product we have five alternate PPM's in APO.
When we do SNP planning run, for some planned order it picked alternate 4 or 5 as source of supply. Which is alright.
The problem is when we see the same planned order in ECC it shows source of supply as alternate 1. i.e. planned order in apo with alternate 4 and planned order in ecc with alternate 1.
Is this the expected behaviour, or there is some configuration setting for this. We want that it shows the same source of supply in ecc as in SNP planned order.
Best regards,
AKS

Hi Vikas/Nandkumar,
thanks for the response, in my case the issue is that I have got two production versions in ECC. One production version is used for planning in CTM while the other version should not be considered in APO CTM for planning.
The productionj version which I am not using for planning, I can manually attach the version in ECC to the planned order and the planned order should get CIFed to APO with the source of supply and resource details.
Vikas after executing the report also the source of supply is not getting displayed in the planned order.
Is their a solution by which i can achieve the above results.
Thanks,
Sanjog

Can we get Multiple production versions in APO

Hi,
Is there a way to get multiple production versions into APO, as the info record( we are using) is what drive the creation of the PDS in APO from ECC
Is there a way to find out how we can have multiple production versions in APO.
Thanks
Maddy

Maddy,
Standard functionality in APO is to support multiple production versions.
Production Versions are a standard object in ECC. They consist of a combination of a Bill of Materials, a Routing, and a few other bits of data. For a given material/plant combination in ECC, there can be many Production Versions.
Production Version - Repetitive Manufacturing (PP-REM) - SAP Library
These Production Versions are integrated in standard CIF via either Production Process Model or Production Data Structure.
Integration of Production Process Models - Integration of Master Data - SAP Library
Integration of Production Data Structures Generated from R/3 Mas - Integration of Master Data - SAP Library
Best Regards,
DB49

Sales Order Stock Configuration across the Supply Chain

Dear Colleagues,
here's my query. This is more related to configuring Make To Order on R/3 Side.
As a Requirement, my client would want that across the supply chain, to trace the stocks relevant for a particular Sales Order. One way I came across was using Sales Order Stock.
The Product Flow Network is like :
Plant > BSR > WH1 > WH2 > Invoicing Point.
(- No Planned Movement Doc in Plant-BSR) > STO(B-W) > InterCo PO(W1-W2) > STO(W2-Inv. Point)
What I would like to know is that using MTO strategy and Sales Order Stock, how can we configure the following scenario?
1. Sales Order is Created with Account Assignment
2. InterCompany STO and InterPlant STO can be created with Account Assignment Category Type 'E' and reference to the Sales Order-Item No.
3. Using STOs at BSR, Propogate the Demand to Plant, create a Planned Order with Account Assignment and Sales Order Reference.
4. Production and subsequent GR to Sales Order Stock at BSR
5. Subsqeuent Deliveries only against the Relevant STOs and GR to Sales Order Stock at all locations in the network.
I would like to highlight that the need for identification of linking SO to Production Order is only from the stage of SKU-production order at the plant to utpo final delivery from the Invoicing plant.
regards,
Sudhir
Edited by: Sudhir Gulati on Jul 23, 2008 12:05 PM

Typically MTO situation is better modeled in PPDS since it does pegging through the network. In SNP we typically do dynamic pegging and hence it will be difficult to link the sales order all the way to production order. Having said that SNP does take into account available resource for planning some of which could have been consumed by MTO orders. This perhaps may not be helpful to your scenario.
As I said dynamic pegging is done with SNP. So when you use SNP in the network, you can basically check the product view to see the supply-demand links. (/sapapo/rrp3) These links are indicative and you should be able to use them for tracing purposes.

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