Photoshop CC 2014: 3D Scene Position Missing - Video Animation Timeline

The 3D Scene Position line in the video animation timeline - missing in 2014.2.1 (CC 2014 up-to-date) ... I have tried all the posted work arounds; using 3D Meshes but the movement from center problem is still present... the answer provided in other posts about this being moved to the Scene group is entirely unhelpful. The 3D Camera post saying it was just renamed is not correct this does not rotate the object. What is the answer or the problem, is there a solution within Photoshop CC?

I don't do 3D animations, but Seb Zaremba said it worked in the former Photoshop CC. You can have both version installed on your computer. Go to the Creative Cloud app and Apps>Filter & version>previous versions. There you will find the installer for CC (2013). Give it a try.
Also, you might consider reporting a bug over at feedback.photoshop.com
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    For anyone else with this problem it is a pain but, yes Arpit is correct. Uninstall Photoshop CC 2014.1, go to the Adobe site and sign in, go to Apps, download Photoshop CC 2014 again and install. It should open as 2014.2. Then you can see Windows>Libraries
    I'm not sure why my system repeatedly would not see there was an update to Photoshop. That seems like a bug to me for a subscription based service. Wonder what else I might be missing out on?
    Now I hope my Libraries content (which shows up in Photoshop) will now start showing up in the cloud online. It is missing. Ugh.
    Hope this helps.

  • Re: Missing: (Photoshop CC 2014) Filter "Blur Gallery

    I updated all my Adobe applications this morning.
    Missing is Photoshop > Filter > Blur Gallery
    Attached is screen shot.
    I read there is a new feature in Photoshop CC 2014: Spin Blur
    Where is my Photoshop CC 2014 “Blur Gallery”???
    Please advise.
    Thank you.
    Kathryn
    Mac 10.7.5

    Solved - I used "Open With" Photoshop CC 2014
    Blur Gallery now appears.
    Kathryn

  • Photoshop cc 2014 missing shape layers and plugins

    i have the trail version off Photoshop cc 2014 and its doesn't have most of the features like history brush n and also missing the star shape how can i fix this thanks its also missing the mixer brush

    If in the toolbox you left click and hold on the different tools with the little triangles at the bottom right of the tool icons, you can see the other tools grouped in that same slot.
    more info:
    http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/tools.html
    http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/using-tools.html

  • I cannot open any photo in Photoshop CC 2014 after upgrade the application and drivers of video-card.

    Since I have made an upgrade of Photoshop CC 2014 I got a lot of problems.
    At first, I could not open any pictures in Photoshop. It works only if I disable "Use Graphic processor". I installed a new driver for my video-card, but it did not help. I use AMD FirePro V4800 for 10-bit colour.
    I had to return the system to the restore point (before the upgrade), then it worked somehow, but not stable. ACR from time to time had a blue screen with a white cross.
    Now I tried to install drivers for my video-card again, but it resulted in the same issue: Photoshop cannot open any photo. (Other converters and editors and also a new Lightroom work well).
    I use Win7x64, i7 2600, 16 Gb RAM, two SSD's, AMD FirePro V4800. I have never had any problems before the upgrade. And I do not want to reinstall Photoshop because I would have to reinstall a lot of plug-ins, I have already lost a whole day.

    Glad it's not just me!
    Interestingly, when I spoke with Apple, I tried it in a new user account and the problem went away. Apple said to speak to Adobe which I have done and after deleting settings/prefs again the problem remained. Adobe say as it's fine in a new account then it's an Apple issue not Adobe.
    I did find a workaround for now though, when using file - open, set it to list view instead of column view - this fixed my problem but sadly I'm used to working in column view so it's not ideal!
    I also got the same error message when trying to replace a set of brushes yesterday too. I need to go back to Apple now but just need to schedule some time to sit and troubleshoot!

  • I downloaded the 32 bit version of photoshop cc 2014. When trying to install I get the message that installer failed to initialize and that this could be due to a missing file. Has anybody a solution ?

    I downloaded the 32 bit version of photoshop cc 2014. When trying to install I get the message that installer failed to initialize and that this could be due to a missing file. Has anybody a solution>?

    Did you unzip the entire contents of the download zip file onto your hard drive before running the installer?  You need to do that.
    I have installed it myself and it went in just fine.
    -Noel

  • What video card do I need to make Photoshop CC 2014 to use 3D? I have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB graphics.

    What video card do I need to make Photoshop CC 2014 to use 3D? I have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB graphics.

    A couple of questions:
    1.  Have you tried resetting your preferences?
    2.  If you go to Preferences > Performance - is "Use Graphics Processor" enabled?  If not, can you select it?
    Your system should be fine to support 3D in PS CC 2014.  Once I have more information from you we can move onto next steps if necessary.
    Thanks,
    Adam

  • Photoshop CC 2014   Bridge CC: automated tasks missing

    I Have downloaded the new Photoshop CC 2014 and updated to Bridge CC. I am no longer able to run automated tasks from Bridge in Photoshop because the "photoshop" submenu is no longer available under tools… unistalling en reinstalling brings no avail. I'm now back to Photoshop CS6 and Bridge CS6… I just would like to know: Am I doing something wrong or is this a bug that hopefully will soon get fixed?

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