PMW-EX1

I shot an interview on a Sony PMW-EX1 in the 1080/24p SP mode. I understand that the camera records all the footage in 29.97 and flags the frames to cut for either FCP or the software that's importing the clips. I setup final cut pro to the easy setup for the type of material I'd be working with. (XDCAM 1080/24p CBR) I used the transfer software to import the clips into my project...
The sequence asks to change the settings to match that of the clip... so I hit ok. I now have a 29.97 timeline with footage that registers as 29.97 interlaced... when I thought this was supposed to be a 23.98 timeline. If I try to set the sequence to 23.98.. the clip needs rendering and gets choppy and stutters... fine, I understand that the footage needs to be conformed...
so I go to tools>remove advanced pulldown and get an error.... (no DVCPRO codec was found)
what do I need to do to get my XDCAM footage correctly to 23.98? preferably with the correct cadence of frames removed in the process?
Justin
My system is all up to date... FCP 6x, OSX 10.4.11, XDCAM Transfer software wise

no worries man...
Sony's codec "claims" to be 24p in the form of a 29.97 clip... (as stated in the manual which i read ) just like the DVX100 when it shoots in 24pA mode. It's a 29.97 clip that gets conformed to a 23.98 clip once FCP captures it into the system.
The easy setup for XDCAM HD 1080/24p CBR states....
"Use this easy setup when working with 1080p XDCAM HD MPEG-2 25 Mb/s CBR source material at 23.98 fps."
well there's a thought..... use that preset when the source material is 23.98..... well ok, how do we get the source material to be 23.98? or better yet, if the footage is already flagged, ready, and waiting to be conformed down to 23.98, why isn't there an option for this on the transfer software? It'd skip all the compressor BS and import all clips as 23.98 source material directly into your project...... just what the easy setup (which states in the description that it wants 23.98 footage) is looking for in the first place.
if you tell an editor that you're going to edit a project in 24p... (who knows... maybe there's film involved later) you'll want to edit in that timeline... correct? If the setting on the camera says it's a 24p format.... (with the understanding that it's hidden in a 29.97 file and can "easily" be extracted) hence... 1080/24p ..... then you should expect that you can get it into a 23.98 timeline just like the rest of my video clips can.
- "The XD Cam Transfer program doesn't change the TIME BASE either."
I know.... I'm just saying that maybe it should for the files recorded that way.
As far as the visual difference of monitoring on a tv... if the cadence is out of wack on a 24pA file that still is running at 29.97 and cram it in a 23.98 sequence (because all the other media is at this frame rate) and let FCP guess at which frames to drop only to have it try and re-add the frames back, then you have all kinds of artifacts showing up on screen.... any motion looks awful... (a visual difference of monitoring 24p on a TV) but beside the point of reference monitoring.... sync issues have to be ironed out when working with multiple production houses. If I send the audio team a 29.97 reference video for a 23.98 project.... I'll be getting phone calls.
Nothing more visually disturbing than a watching your audio drift. Takes me out of a movie everytime
the real kicker though is this:
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/docs/FCPXDCAMHDwhitepaper.pdf
page 15.... the image shows the exact setup I'm trying to get...... and the very next image shows an imported clip at ... 23.98.... lol..
Justin

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It says: "The synchronization itself is done using audio tracks only, so you'll need clips with both video and audio in order to use it (pluraleyes)."
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"Mastering the Sony PMW-EX1"

For the happy owners of the Sony PMW-EX1 XDCAM EX camcorder. Take a look at the new training DVD from Vortex Media.
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Looks very good!

Sunday morning, after a short night I have been watching the DVD-set “Mastering the Sony PMW-EX1”, that I received a couple of days ago.
With the coffee can and some donuts next to me I watched the two DVD’s in one piece. Almost three full hours of valuable content for everyone who owns the new Sony PMW-EX1 XDCAM EX camera. This DVD must be in your toolkit, just like a tripod, if you are serious about shooting professional video.
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From the first chapter you feel right at home. The presentation is very well done. When someone is watching the DVD with the camera by her or his side, she or he gets enough time to make the settings that are explained. You are getting lots of tips that will help you master your camera even better after watching this DVD. Throughout the whole DVD-set I never got the impression it was sponsored by Sony. This DVD is completely independent.
The only thing that really scared me was an atrocious crocodile eating Barbie and Ken’s daughter! Just kidding! It’s a well done animation.
What I personally also liked very much is the explanation about how to archive those S&S cards. It’s a cheap and save method if you ask me.
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For me personally, on a scale 10 it deserves a 10!
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Importing Sony PMW EX1 footage into FCPX

I just got a Sony PMW-EX1 (not the 1r). I'm not very familiar with this format and I'm having trouble getting my footage into FCPX. I imported a clip the way I thought it should be done and it simply showed up as a green clip.
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http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/ShowContent.action?site=bizfrFR&contentId=1193315622075
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Clay
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One last benefit on the EX1 is the HD-SDI out, Convergent Design is coming out at NAB with an HD-SDI system that can record at higher bit rates to very inexpensive compact flash cards. To start they will allow all the way up to 160 Mbps 4:2:2 all I-frame and soon completely uncompressed. It can also be used for encoding HDV in real time from your Kona Card back to an HDV deck for very inexpensive archives.
http://www.convergent-design.com/
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Z1

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