Poor overclock with E4300 and MSI P6N SLI-Fi - Strap Issue?

A friend of mine and me bought new rigs last friday. Each of us is using a E4300 with Tuniq Tower, a Leadtek 8800 GTS and a 1 GB DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 from G.E.I.L running on a P6N SLI-FI.
Neither of us can clock higher than 250 x 9 = 2,250 MHz with VCore +0,0125. I can run Orthos stable at 2,400 MHz, but will fail 3DMark or Gaming Timedemos. My machine won´t even post above 2,500 MHz. Temperatures are fine and not the problem.
Tried everything, upping VCore up to 1,4V, maxing out the northbridge voltage, clocking down the RAM to 667 or 533 and relaxing the timings. C1E, DOT, EIST etc. is disabled of course. The only thing which helped to get further into windows was fiddling with the northbridge voltage but nonetheless nothing won´t run stable above 2,250 MHz.
The problem looks very similar like the one posted in this thread: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=105321.120
Unfortunately, Systool doesn´t read out anything, seems like NForce 650i isn´t supported yet. I have tried at 1070 in Bios, which should be 267 MHz - nothing different. Also 1080, 1090, 1100... 1120. 1110 is the last setting, with which the machine would even post (with voltages nearly maxxed), at 1120 I have to do a BIOS reset.
Did anyone have similar experiences? Found workarounds?

Hey thanks for your advice, but I am actually not THAT stupid... :D
I took a step by step approach over 2 days, isolating things. It would run stable at 2,250 MHz with only a notch or two up the VCore. 2,400 MHz also ran Orthos stable (Blend) for some hours but crashed on instant in HL2 or 3DMark. Got at least 3DMark stable (but not HL2) by increasing the NB voltage. Then I started tweaking first VCore only, then NB only, combinations (there are quite a few to try out...). I studied electrical engineering and am repairing computers since I was 12 years old (actually build my first Commodore C64 out of 3 non working ones) so I think I know how to sort out a problem methodically and not by guessing.
The issues I experienced also got me thinking. Why is something Orthos, Prime, etc. stable as a rock but won´t run anything with 3D-graphics? What has that to do with OC the CPU? RAM was sorted out (relaxed timings, 533 MHz with 800 MHz RAM), but looking at some chipset diagramms in tests, it is the northbridge, which connects the PCI-E and therefore the GPU to the CPU. So it was only logical for me to assume that it must be the NB or the BIOS implementation causing the problem. Of course i tested with all different NB voltage options, combinations with VCore etc. Nothing worked, curiously even turning off some powersaving features but changing nothing else prevented the system from posting at settings it had booted to windows before...
Even if I am pleased with my results now (3,015 GHz now at stock voltages rock solid throughout the day) I find the behaviour of the board and the BIOS very strange in the 240+ FSB range with the E4300...
PS: I tested it, it even works flawlessly with maxxed NB voltage at the current 3,015 GHz, which falsifies your too high voltage at a certain power requirement theory, at least for my board. Don´t missunderstand me, I am not posting this just to be right but I think this should be quite interesting and perhaps give some more insight into the problems with this board...
I am going to bed now, having an exam tomorrow.
Greetings from northern germany,
Bolle

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Quote from: EagleDM on 07-February-07, 07:12:21
You're not alone..
My fighting with this motherboard began the first moment I put my brand new E4300.
This is the absoluto WORST motherboard in the Galaxy for the E4300, and the reasons, I should explain shortly (I hope someone at MSI is reading this and DO SOMETHING about it)
The short version:
There are 3 straps for configuring the speed of each processor on the Intel family.
the 800 strap, the 1066 strap and the 1333 strap, these are the straps working on the 4000 and 6000 family of core2
When you're in the 1066 strap, the motherboard configures the PCI lock correctly and you can safely clock the board from 266 to even 370 or 450 in some cases with the latest BIOS and good MCP voltage... but.
When you're in the 800 strap like me (all E4300 are in the 800 strap) the motherboard incorrectly identify the information and it simply DOES NOT LOCK the PCI bus speed correctly...
Conclusion: when you excede 266 Mhz speed you already have the PCI clocked so far away from the standard speed, that really is a divine grace that the motherboard boots.. and if it does.. you will have a corrupted HD or you may even lost some PCI card to this.. so... it is really DANGEROUS to set any speed higher than 240-250 for this strap on this motherboard.
Sure, there are alternatives you may ask... yes, all gigabyte motherboards and the P5B series correcly identify the 800 strap (200fsb) and Lock the PCI so you can overclock to hell with that one... not on this motherboard.
There IS an alternative... the alternative is to PIN MOD the processor (remember the Conductive Pen?) to FORCE the motherboard into believeing that you have in effect, a 266 (1066Mhz) processor and then, configuring the strap accordingly..
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and is a very great BUT, NOT with this motherboard.
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So, with the P965 the long story became short at the end, we are stuck in the WORST of the Galaxy motherboard for E4300 overclocking till MSI at least give us the freedom to choose the strap or just use the one that is detected. Until then... that's it.
I hope this message reaches MSI, I work for a hardware page that do reviews and you can imagine what I should say about this motherboard....
Daniel / MaximoPC
www.maximopc.org
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