Preview.app with .pdf: crop box view in slideshow

Hi,
when I preview a .pdf in the "crop box" mode and I start a slideshow, it shows me the "media box" version.
How can I see the the crop box in the slideshow?

Since the media box (as you may know) is the size of the largest page in the PDF file, regardless of placement of objects in the PDF. The crop box is always a subsection of this (or the same size, but never larger), defined by you. It should be the part of the PDF page (media box) that contains the text, pictures, etc. that you want the person reading your PDF to see.
For example, when composing the layout for print publication, you would want to set the media box to be slightly larger than the media you will be printing on. You would then set the crop box to be the precise size of the final, printed media. If you were printing on normal 8.5" x 11" paper then media box would be larger than 8.5" x 11", and the crop box to 8.5 " x 11". This way, you can position pictures and text and whatnot right up to the edge of the printed page. This will also allow you to see whether anything is positioned wrong and is hanging over the edge of the crop box (which would mean it'll be cut off when printed".
So basically, what I meant to say is: the crop box isn't meant for changing how a PDF is displayed; it's meant to control what prints out, and what doesn't, when printing to paper. Microsoft Excel does the same thing -- when looking at a spreadsheet on the computer, you see all cells. If you want to only print a portion of the spreadsheet then you'd use the "set print area" option. Setting the print area isn't the same as just printing a single page or selection of pages, although in some situations they may produce similar printed pages.

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Preview.app with .pdf: crop box view in slideshow revisted

Regarding the archived discussion found here:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/11230425
The question was never really answered as to provide a working solution for Nicolas. Here is his original question:
When I preview a .pdf in the "crop box" mode and I start a slideshow, it shows me the "media box" version.
How can I see the the crop box in the slideshow?
I have had this same issue with certain PDFs in Preview. The simplest and quickest solution I propose is:
1) Open PDF in Preview
2) Find out the actual cropped page size via Tools > Show Inspector
3) Go to File > Print... and then to Paper Size: Manage Paper Sizes... and create a custom paper size for the cropped page size.
4) Finally, click on PDF V Save as PDF... and save a copy of the original PDF.
When you open the file copy in Preview and go to View > Slideshow it will now compose without the crop marks and bleeds.
If anyone still is having this issue, I hope this helps.

Since the media box (as you may know) is the size of the largest page in the PDF file, regardless of placement of objects in the PDF. The crop box is always a subsection of this (or the same size, but never larger), defined by you. It should be the part of the PDF page (media box) that contains the text, pictures, etc. that you want the person reading your PDF to see.
For example, when composing the layout for print publication, you would want to set the media box to be slightly larger than the media you will be printing on. You would then set the crop box to be the precise size of the final, printed media. If you were printing on normal 8.5" x 11" paper then media box would be larger than 8.5" x 11", and the crop box to 8.5 " x 11". This way, you can position pictures and text and whatnot right up to the edge of the printed page. This will also allow you to see whether anything is positioned wrong and is hanging over the edge of the crop box (which would mean it'll be cut off when printed".
So basically, what I meant to say is: the crop box isn't meant for changing how a PDF is displayed; it's meant to control what prints out, and what doesn't, when printing to paper. Microsoft Excel does the same thing -- when looking at a spreadsheet on the computer, you see all cells. If you want to only print a portion of the spreadsheet then you'd use the "set print area" option. Setting the print area isn't the same as just printing a single page or selection of pages, although in some situations they may produce similar printed pages.

Preview.app increases PDF file size after deleting pages

Hello, I'm experiencing odd behavior with Preview.app and PDFs.
If I open a PDF with Preview, delete a page, then save the file, the file size increases anywhere form 2x to 20x. This happens both with PDFs that only contain text and PDFs that contain text and graphics. It is very frustrating because I start with a file that is 150KB, remove some pages and end up with a 10MB monster that I can't email to people.
Any help is appreciated. I can post a link to a test PDF for people to try to replicate with if it would be useful.

I generated the file with pdftex. I'm guessing that there must be different ways to encode a PDF and when Preview gets something with an encoding other than that provided by PDFKit, it rewrites the file how it likes. In my case this is increasing the file sizes. I tried finding docs about PDFKit on the Apple developer site, but couldn't find any details about ways of encoding a PDF.

Preview.app increases PDF file size.

When making changes to a PDF (in my case, creating annotations), Preview.app will increase the file size of a PDF if that PDF was run through Acrobat Pro's "Reduce File Size" process. For example, I have a PDF that I created using a Book2Net book scanner. I then used Acrobat Pro 10 to OCR the file, then ran Reduce File size which shrank the file size from almost 1.6gb down to about 62mb. If I use Preview.app to make an annotation and then save the file, Preview.app will inflate the file back up to 1.6gb.
An earlier thread (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1478588?start=0&tstart=0) also discusses a similar issue. I'm not sure if those folks were also working with PDFs that were reduced in size by Acrobat Pro or not.
Anyone else have this issue?
10.6.8 on a MacBook Pro.

That is not normal. same action with acrobat and skim do not do this. Changing file size from 170mb to 780mb (my case) should not be expected.
Preview re-formats the file (which takes a while the first "save"). It may even make scrolling and searching for text faster, but is not desirable all the time.
There is NO explanation from Apple in help or online. Keeping things simple is one thing, having unexpected and unexplained behavior is another.
Last preview update made it pretty much useless for annotations anyways.
Choosing "text" annotation used to allow for clicking anywhere on the pdf and start typing. Now, it automatically creates a text box at the center of page that has to be the dragged (and make sure not dragging other annotations with it). click T multiple times, multiple text boxes on top of each other.
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Preview (app) and PDFs generated by Photoshop CS3

(Apologies if this is the wrong forum for this question; I didn't see another more appropriate category to post this)
Anybody else here had problems with PDFs created with PS CS3 when trying to view with Preview? Any type that was not rasterized in PS disappears! PDFs show correctly when opened in Acrobat or Reader though so I know the type is there and it's readable/recognizable. Seems like a glitch in the Preview application.
Maybe this will be corrected with Leopard??

I made a small PS CS3 file using a couple of fonts which were Apple Casual and Stencil, used the pdf option in the print dialog box. The text was there in the doc opened in Preview and Acrobat Reader (8.1). Both of these are TT fonts. So I included one PS type Belo, and it was there also.
What font type are you using?
Yes, I know that to modify text in PS it has to be rasterized.
Could be a PS doc setup problem.
Make a new file and try putting the text in question alone on it and see if it shows up on Preview.

Preview troubles with PDF files?

Until recently, Preview had opened every and any PDF file. Now, I receive the following message.
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+Adobe recommends using Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat version 8 or later to work with documents contained within a PDF Package. By updating to the latest version, you’ll enjoy the following benefits:+
+• Efficient, integrated PDF viewing • Easy printing • Quick searches+
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+Click here to download the latest version of Adobe Reader+
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I definitely have Calibri - came with Office for Mac and is the font I have set my "normal" style to use (plus my default e-mail font, etc.). I have checked in FontBook and Calibri is there, no duplicate fonts and I validated the font and it is all fine (regular, italic, bold, bold italic). My Calibri works fine in PDF's because I create a fair number of documents in Word (for Mac) and "print" them to PDF and Calibri is the main font I use.
What is weird is that the document has the font embedded anyway (at least the subset it needs), yet when Adobe Reader displays the document the fonts look nothing like Calibri.
I can open the file fine in Photoshop - but as with Reader, the font it uses is not Calibri.
Also, Preview done snot see the "blocks" where the text should be as text - as I cannot select them with the text cursor but only with the select (image/rectangle) tool. I can't see a way to attach an image to a port here but the blocks I get a like lines of giant black pixels (rectangles the size of a character) where the text should be, some fully black, then fading to lighter greys across the word (some starting black, fading to light grey, others starting light grey building to black, a few all solid black). Sorry for the lousy description.
I have double checked a PDF I created (using Word/Office for Mac) and it had two embedded subset fonts, Calibri and Calibri bold and it displays fine in both Preview and Reader and the font is very different from that Reader/Photoshop show for the problem document. Although in my document the "encoding" was set to "built-in" whilst the problem document has encoding set to "ansi"
Many thanks for your attention to my question.
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I definitely have Calibri - came with Office for Mac and is the font I have set my "normal" style to use (plus my default e-mail font, etc.). I have checked in FontBook and Calibri is there, no duplicate fonts and I validated the font and it is all fine (regular, italic, bold, bold italic). My Calibri works fine in PDF's because I create a fair number of documents in Word (for Mac) and "print" them to PDF and Calibri is the main font I use.
What is weird is that the document has the font embedded anyway (at least the subset it needs), yet when Adobe Reader displays the document the fonts look nothing like Calibri.
I can open the file fine in Photoshop - but as with Reader, the font it uses is not Calibri.
Also, Preview done snot see the "blocks" where the text should be as text - as I cannot select them with the text cursor but only with the select (image/rectangle) tool. I can't see a way to attach an image to a port here but the blocks I get a like lines of giant black pixels (rectangles the size of a character) where the text should be, some fully black, then fading to lighter greys across the word (some starting black, fading to light grey, others starting light grey building to black, a few all solid black). Sorry for the lousy description.
I have double checked a PDF I created (using Word/Office for Mac) and it had two embedded subset fonts, Calibri and Calibri bold and it displays fine in both Preview and Reader and the font is very different from that Reader/Photoshop show for the problem document. Although in my document the "encoding" was set to "built-in" whilst the problem document has encoding set to "ansi"
Many thanks for your attention to my question.
Regards
Ian
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Preview App Seems Gimped in Snow Leopard

I opened a PDF to crop some parts of the file and there are two big issues:
1. I cannot crop multiple pages anymore. There just isn't that option in Inspector or anywhere else. I can only crop one page at a time.
2. Not only can I not crop more than one page at a time, but cropping doesn't actually delete the date. I can go to "View | PDF Display | Crop Box" and see what I just cropped!
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I just tripped over problem #1 myself: the ability to crop all the pages of a PDF really does seem to have been removed from Preview in 10.6! I have Acrobat Pro, but Preview's crop was always more convenient to use, up until now. I even tried copying over Leopard's Preview app from my other Mac to use in Snow Leopard, but it doesn't even let you launch it. I assume they changed things under the hood that require the new version, but I can't imagine that this made it impossible to crop. Maybe they just neglected to re-activate that feature for the initial release..?
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
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Is there a way to maximize the crop box?

Terms: I consider a crop box maximized when it is as large as it can be without exceeding the image size in either dimension. (For an unconstrained crop, a maximized crop box contains the entire image.)
When I first select the new crop tool, it is maximized. If I change the crop box, the only ways I have found to get it maximized again are to cancel the crop and restart -- or zoom in to the pixel level and adjust the crop boundaries.
Am I missing some magic incantation?
(This 'maximize crop' feature is one we have -- and use -- in some other image processing software.)

Howard and Charles -- Thanks. The reset crop box, whether invoked from the options bar or from the right-click menu, does neither what I wanted, nor what I expected. (That's not a bad thing; just curious.)
I set the crop box to 13in by 19in then open a landscape image. It opens with the crop box in place, giving me a portrait crop out of the middle of the image. I rotate the image using the mouse and delayed shift key so it's in portrait orientation. The crop box is giving me the middle of the image (not the whole thing). Fit on screen lets me see the entire image but obviously doesn't alter the crop area.
Resetting the crop box returns the image to landscape orientation. (Not the result I wanted.) Here's the quite unexpected part: The reset cleared my crop box specifications. After resetting, the crop box has been set to unconstrained and is now set to the full size of the image.
I don't consider that a bug -- just a design choice.
Within my experience, the Crop tool is the only one with this kind of "reset" function. In the classic crop tool, we had the CLEAR button. The Reset function is implemented the same way. The difference is that in previous versions, the CLEAR button isn't available once you have drawn the crop box. Even in CS6, I haven't found any other tool with a Reset option. So there is no consistency issue. How Abobe chooses to implement the reset function for the crop tool will become the standard.
And the more I think about this, the more I think Adobe should revisit this decision. I think it would be more useful -- and more reasonable -- for Reset to return the tool settings to whatever the user had specified at the beginning of the crop operation.
Here's what, to me, is an anomoly in the current implementation: The Reset command doesn't reset ALL of the tool settings. Reset does not affect "Delete Cropped Pixels" or "Use Classic Mode" or the View setting.

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