Pro tools 7 le or Logic Pro 7 ?

I saw the video of Pro tools 7 le and it does seem to
have good midi editing capability. Midi is what I've
heard people complain about in Pro tools. What do you
think of Pro tools 7 le compared to Logic Pro 7?
I'm a former PT user. Here's the comparison between LP and PT. Pro Tools LE is like one of those studios with just a piano and 32 track board and adat. Where Logic Pro is a complete studio with about 6 keyboards and rack modules and effects and a 64 track board.
There's no comparison. Logic's a whole studio where PT LE is basically a mimmic of the tape. Now if you have your own equipment(i.e. third party plug ins and external synths) the PT LE will suffice the rewire setup and midi sync is much better and more stable than LP, but that's all PT Le has over LP.
Logic has taken my music to the next level. Those soft synth plug ins are great. Besides my MPC for drums, I really don't need any other external sounds. I mean you cant compare Logic's synths to PT LE's Reason Adapted and Sample Tank SE.
Pro Tools LE is really not in Logic's class. Some People think LP's a lesser program or in the same class as PT LE because its less expensive. But its really not. What makes PT LE expensive is its hardware that it uses as a XS key. You basically pay for the interface not the program.
You can compare Pro Tools LE to Logic Express. But Pro Tools LE to Logic Pro? C'mon that's like comparing a Pinto to a Lexus.
Oh yeah just look at the price. The only DAW sequencer that rivals LP'S price is Sonar. But Sonar would hit the market at about 800$ then the price would drop to about $500. Logic's hits the market a 1000$ and stays there, demand and customer satisfaction. Its worth way more that 1000$, besides my MPC its the best investment I've made regarding music.
The only thing I miss about PT's is the rewire and bussing. But with all the soft sythns LP has I really don't use Reason that much. I don't really need it.

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servo2112 wrote:
I need something with good compositional/midi tools, but I also need powerful audio editing...non-destructive editing in the arrange window... I definitely need drum programming ability..
Taking just the key points above, Logic will definitely fit the bill better. Logic seems to be a better compositional tool, although PT can also be used for that. Both do SOME non-destructive editing in the arrange windows. Protools has no drum editor at all.
However, PT is still better at audio editing.
It would depend on how much audio editing you plan on doing vs midi/composition.
The above poster is certainly in the ballpark about the add-ons you have to buy with PT just to equal the tools that come with Logic. I would say you'll probably have to spend at least another $1000 on plugin instruments and utility tools (CD burning/mastering) above the cost of PTLE software. Assume you will need at least the Music Production Toolkit in addition to PTLE. You will also want Toast Titanium to burn CDs unless you get Logic w/Waveburner.
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