Problem with applying fills & strokes to grouped objects in Illustrator CC

I have this problem that I deal with everyday & I can't figure out how to fix it.
I am always struggling with applying fills & strokes (or changing fills & strokes).
It seems like I always have to ungroup the objects first (even if I never grouped them in the first place), or I have to clear appearance first. Sometimes I have to ungroup several times, even if it is only one object by itself, not grouped with anything else.
I think It may have something to do with the pathfinder... like the pathfinder is creating groups when I use the divide filter.
Even when I use the direct selection tool, to select just the object I want, it wont let me apply the fill or stroke that I want.
Also, it seems like it has several layers of appearance... when I ungroup the object, it changes appearance (the fill or stroke changes).
Also, if I eyedrop the object to apply its appearance to another object, the "hidden" appearance is the one that gets appled to the new object.
The closest discussion I could find was about compound paths, but I think this is a different issue, because when I go to compound paths in the menu, it doesn't give me the option to release anythig.
I have this problem ALL DAY LONG, every day. Please help!!

Thanks for your reply!
I see what you are saying, and I think is some cases that could be a helpful trick - but the problem I'm having is slighlty different.
The object that I want to change doesn't show the actual appearance... it only shows its underlying appearance after ungrouping several times, and then when it is completely ungrouped, it visibly changes to another fill & stroke. This happens even when the object is not grouped with anything... it is just grouped to itself i guess & I am not grouping these items, they just become grouped somehow - I think because of the pathfinder. I often have to ungroup 3-5 times, which is a hassle in iteself... but sometimes I actually need to grouping to keep items togther so I can manage all the ojects & move them around as needed.
So... the method you are suggesting could possibly solve the issue, except I don't know what the fill & stroke is until I ungroup everything, so I can't create the swatch off to the side to match it. The other thing is, it seems like I would be creating a lot of swatches, since I use lots of different fills & it seems like it would be a lot of extra work.
Here is an example of 2 objects before using the pathfinder. Please note how the object selected & the fill & stroke boxes all jive:
Now here are two images after using the pathfinder tool (I added another object to get the problme to happen). Please note how the fill & stroke boxes do not match the objects selected:
This is what happens when I try to change the fill to green (the fill does not apply):
I thought it had something to do with compound paths, but as you can see below, the menu doesn't give me an option to release compound paths:
The final image is what happens after I ungroup the objects:
I don't understand:
1) why pathfinder is grouping these objects
2) why the strokes & fills change & why the fill & stroke boxes don't match the actual fill & stroke.
3) why I can't change the fill or stroke without ungrouping (even when using the direct selection tool).
4) why the fill & stroke change again after ungrouping

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