Profit Center Accounting in ECPCA and New GL

Hi Friends,
We want to use the ECPCA profit center accounting for managment reporting. Also we are using new GL therefore we also have Profit Center accounting accounting.
Can we just go with ECPCA, if yes what would be the dis-advantage of not using New GL profit center accounting.
Also can we use the both, if yes then do we need to take care of something specfic which you would like to suggest.
Thanks in Advance

Hi,
Thanks for the SNote. But now I am in a fix.
Note says that if I use the new GL and document splitting then I should not use the EC-PCA.
But my client do not want the cost center allocations to come in FI due to Regulatory constraints i.e no CO-FI reconciliation, however want to see the profitability at profit center level, as well as balance sheet at profit center level.
If I use EC-PCA for giving profitability at at profit Center level then I will not be able to use document splitting in New GL to give the balance sheet at profit center level.
And if I use New GL then I cannot give the profitability at profit center level as allocations are not there in FI.
Have anybody faced a similar issue, if yes can throw a light on the same.
Thanks & Regards,
Ankur

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