Progressive Video Angst...

I had an embedded video that ran fine, but when I upgraded
the site to CFMX7
last week, the
flash items that were embedded run great, but the video does
not....
SO... I embedded it in swfobject... ("see" it here-- or
rather where it
should be)...
http://floydandgreen.com/index.cfm)
under the TagHeuer gif...
nada even though it runs fine on my local development servers
<div id="p4rflashcontent">
<p strong>You do not have the correct version of Flash
installed.
</strong><br />
In order to See this site properly, You need to upgrade your
Flash
Player</strong></p>
</div>
<script type="text/javascript">
var so = new SWFObject("pray.swf", "pray", "325", "290",
"7",
"#054F04");
so.addParam("loop", "true");
so.write("p4rflashcontent");
</script>
SO.... I recreated it in CS3. Made it a progressive video and
uploaded again
as Flash 8 format... again, runs fine on my local servers,
but not online.
<script type="text/javascript">
AC_FL_RunContent(
'codebase','
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,28,0','wid th','330','height','300','title','Pray
for
Rain','src','prayCS3','quality','high','pluginspage','
http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash','movi e','prayCS3'
); //end AC code
</script><noscript><object
classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
codebase="
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,28,0"
width="330" height="300" title="Pray for Rain">
<param name="movie" value="prayCS3.swf">
<param name="quality" value="high">
<param name="Play" value="1">
<embed src="prayCS3.swf" quality="high"
pluginspage="
http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="330"
height="300"></embed>
</object></noscript>
Any suggestions?
Tx, Tami

Here is a quick and dirty explanation of why not to make your DVD with progressive video.
This from Jeff Bellune author of:
The Focal Easy Guide to Adobe ® Encore ™ DVD 2.0
"The video that is stored on an NTSC DVD-Video disc is stored as 29.97 fps interlaced video. To view the interlaced fields as progressive frames (like through the component outputs of a DVD player that supports progressive playback), the player has to internally de-interlace the video before sending it out. So there is no advantage to rendering or transcoding interlaced source video as progressive if you are going to DVD-Video."
Jeff Bellune has been a Technical Consultant to Adobe since March of 2003, including work on the previous version of Encore DVD. He is the owner of a digital production and post-production company, Bellune Digital Video Services, and an active presence on industry web forums.
Source quoted from his post at Creative Cow
http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/rightread_postframe.cgi?forumid=145&postid=858011&univpostid=857994
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Here is a quick and dirty explanation of why not to make your DVD with progressive video.
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I had started an earlier thread addressing this issue. The answer I received didn't achieve the results I was looking for so I presented the information a little better. Thank you.
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I've been searching around the web and coming up confused.
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Hey Edwin,
Perfect, btw I am really impressed by the framework still gettting my head arround it but looks very promising!
A Question:
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or
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The picture in "old style" PAL video is updated every 1/50 second.
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Hi everyone,
I've got some 24P (normal, from a DVX100) video here that I'm editing, and I'm wondering what to expect it to look like when I'm finished. While editing, on my progressive (obviously) computer monitor, I'm seeing ugly interlace lines on every 2 out of 5 frames (PPPIIPPPII, or however it's ordered). My NTSC (interlaced) monitor died, so I can't check it out on that right now, but I presume it would look fine on that. I know these pulldown frames are part of getting 24P on miniDV tapes, but how do I make them less visible, or not visible at all, while viewing on a progressive device?
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hmm... now I'm back to 98% I think. lol.
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What major and minor version of Captivate 5 are you on?
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Progressive video no worko :(

I've been absolutely struggling with this- and it's becoming annoying.
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EDIT/REMINDER: The fixes I've attempted were done after the footage had already been captured- Ideally, I wouldn't have to use filters/field reorderings and whatnot to fix this after the fact, I'm still hoping to find a way for FCP to capture "progressively" on a normal basis. Right now it seems about the flip of a coin whether my capturing sessions will be progressive or interlaced.
A half second offset was my idea of an ideal fix and I found it's an easy thing to do in Shake- but there was still a lot of artifacting and traces of separately captured fields (even though they lined up)
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the spots are snow flakes, which are impossible to recreate- so disregard those. Besides that, the difference is obvious. As you can see, the fields are properly aligned in the offset version of the interlaced capture- so shapes are just as immaculate, But there are noticeable ugly HSV changes in a pattern reminiscent of interlacing. I ran the shot through an RGB contrast node to accentuate it.
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Early start of progressive video?

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When uploaded to the web server, there is a long delay whilst the whole video file downloads before replay starts.
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I'd say the problem is in the .flv... or perhaps it's a f4v (the flash version of an mp4).
there is a long delay whilst the whole video file downloads before replay starts.
This means that the file is not being progressively downloaded, so buffer time has no meaning or effect.
Your problem sounds just like the MOOV ATOM problem often experienced with QuickTime mp4 files. The "movie atom" index which carries the file size into is at the very end of the file, preventing progressive downloading. The solution for that issue is to swap the MA from the very back of the file to the front.
More info here:
http://renaun.com/blog/code/qtindexswapper/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c8oqNX4b3k
Best wishes,
Adninjastrator

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The flash files are later saved to DVD and played there as progressive media.
We hoped to use the same files and subclip parameters for streaming and the DVD.
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