RE: [REQ] Assisted management tools/methods for planshierarchies(imp/ex

Hi William, and all forté subscribers.
Thanks for your answers.
To discuss on honest basis, let's say we don't plan to buy any product yet.
But the 'small' forté code management is source of many problems.
We're interfacing the 'workspaces handling' with text-based source control
tools, and this (can) allows proper 'control'. Shame we can't build forté
applications from proper text files :)
Our issues are more about understanding the hierarchy between projects when
it's not documented. Therefore, quite a reverse-engineering point of view,
despite we stay in a " forte TOOL code " level.
For your information, we have Select, used as " reference " model, and as
interface to Express.
For the Issues I've expressed, here's my (current) status.
I learned 'b-tree' repositories have become standard for 3.0 (despite 2.0 had many),
and therefore we're extremely waiting for 'R.4.0' code management.
We've got a way to " visualize " plans depandancies from an exported workspace,
but this doesn't allow 'update' (lacks forté workspace cross-verification facility).
We've got another way to export a 'workspace' in both 'wex' and set of 'pex's,
and building the import script from the wex file using an intelligent grep/sed script.
Thanks for all your suggestions,
J-Paul GABRIELLI
Integration Engineer
De: William Poon[SMTP:[email protected]]
Date d'envoi: vendredi 10 juillet 1998 16:58
A: 'Jean-Paul GABRIELLI'
Cc: John Apps; Forte -- Development
Objet: RE: [REQ] Assisted management tools/methods for plans hierarchies(imp/exports, supplier plans management & external APIs control)
Hi Jean-Paul,
One of our consultants has forwarded your message to me. I am
extremely interested in learning more about your requirement. I am the
lead engineer in the Compaq-Digital enterprise organization building
component based development tools. Following are some of my thoughts as
well as questions.
William Poon, Compaq-Digital
-----Original Message-----
From: John Apps
Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:40 AM
To: Forte -- Development
Subject: FW: [REQ] Assisted management
tools/methods for plans hierarchies (imp/exports, supplier plans
management & external APIs control)
From the Forte-Users newslist: I think this person is
looking for CBD tools?! Perhaps William has an answer out of his
research?
Cheers,
From: Jean-Paul
GABRIELLI[SMTP:[email protected]]
Reply To: Jean-Paul GABRIELLI
Sent: Friday, July 03, 1998 11:28
To: '00 Forte Mailinglist'
Subject: [REQ] Assisted management tools/methods
for plans hierarchies (imp/exports, supplier plans management & external
APIs control)
Hi,
I'm looking for cross-projects investigation tools, to
provide graphical understanding and management of
forté source code. Viewing/updating plans dependencies,
as well as managing external APIs calls are my
requirements.
I am not clear about this question. But I will give my best shot. Are
you looking for some form of "source profiling" or "reverse engineering"
tool where by it reads the Forte TOOL code and turn that into UML which
then can be displayed in graphical form. My understanding is that
SELECT's Enterprise has this capability for C/C++ code. They also work
closely with Forte so they might have something that will work with TOOL
code.
In order to manage international developments between
sites, applications have been split into 'components'.
Therefore, and to keep it simple, each component comes
out of a separate dedicated repository.
At integration and build time, those sets of source code
are merged together, supplier plans updated and
forté applications built.
Controlling UUIDs at export time keeps simple the reload
of new delivered versions.
But my issue is in the physical process to actually
(get) deliver(ed) those sets of source code.
Forté fscript allows to export classes, plans, or
workspaces.
Only 'plan exports' (pex) can provide a way to only
deliver plans which have to be delivered.
(i.e. without test projects, stubs or third party
products plans which could be part of the workspace).
Therefore, whereas an export script can easily be
automated (list plans, and then for each plan find it
and then export it with a meaningful name), the import
process can't, because of plans dependancies.
In order to assist that process, I would like to know if
any of you did find ways to :
1) Display in a tree view the plans hierarchy for a given
workspace, or for a given repository baseline
I don't think you can do it in Forte 3.0. But my I understanding is
that they will have this capability in Forte 4.0. But Forte people will
have more information.
2) Export from a given workspace plans as separate
files, as well as related import script (with proper sequence)
3) Get from a set of pex files a plans hierarchy and a
proper import script.
Current workaround has been first to 'batch load' all
the pex files until having them all loaded
(first go loads top providers, then more and more as
dependancies are resolved).
Another one has been spending time grep'ing from pex
files the 'includes' lines and designing on paper
the tree. But that's long and evolving.
Thanks for ideas and suggestions,
J-Paul GABRIELLI
Integration Engineer
France
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Maybe Hamish Speirs can explain it - it was his post in another thread that gave me the idea and commands to try (see http://forums.novell.com/forums/nove...r-10038-a.html).
We had a confluence of changes at the beginning of the semester (Sept) that no doubt helped contribute to the problem and yet also mask the real cause to a certain extent.
1. The Thawte cert expired and was replaced with a new cert - Thawte does not support doing renewals on NetWare. This happened around the start of Sept.
2. School semester begins. Thousands of students return.
3. We use Pcounter for pay-for-print and it uses httpstk to provide a webpage for students to authorize print jobs.
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5. All printers are Secure.
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After the separation the issues continued - so it wasn't netstorage's fault. Desparate searching of the 'net lead to H.'s post. The rest is history!
It has now been 9 days up uptime without a single nile/ssl related abend ( I had one abend in pcounter but services survived).
Ron
"Seasoned Greasings and Happy New Rear!"

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