Receiver determination in BPM

Hi Folks,
I wanted to send a message to 2 receivers from 1 sender using BPM. People on SDN advice that I have to use 3 receiver determinations for it. I just can't understand why to use 2 receiver determinations where as I have only 2 receivers. Why shall I use a receiver determination for the sender ? Can anybody explain this logic ?
Regards,
Santosh

HI Chandra,
There will be only one reciever determination.
In reciever determination what can be done is one sender and recievers will be two as
well as ineterface determination and reciever agreement will be 2.
Can you explain how is this possible?....In the first receiver determination the connection will be done for Sender --> BPM.....
In second BPM---> Receiver1
In third BPM--->Receiver2
Regards,
Abhishek.

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Regards,
Santosh

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