Recovery in R12 with user managed cold backups

We have R12.1.1 ( db 11.1.0.7 ) on RHEL 5.3 ( ALL SET UP 64 bit ).
we have user managed cold backup scheduled with tar -czvf command.
Archiving is enabled. Production server is 2 nodes ( Apps + DB ) .
Suppose we have backup on hard disk and our Production server ( db is crashed ).
we will prepare new server copy the backup from Hard disk to new server and run adcfgclone.pl scripts.
What else do we need to do on this new server to go live ?
Please reply

Hi;
We have R12.1.1 ( db 11.1.0.7 ) on RHEL 5.3 ( ALL SET UP 64 bit ).
we have user managed cold backup scheduled with tar -czvf command.
Archiving is enabled. Production server is 2 nodes ( Apps + DB ) .
Suppose we have backup on hard disk and our Production server ( db is crashed ).
we will prepare new server copy the backup from Hard disk to new server and run adcfgclone.pl scripts.
What else do we need to do on this new server to go live ?1. If you run preclone sh before take cold backup than you can go wiht clone process
2. If you dont run than you can create same user, same mount point on new server and try to relink oracle binary(I assume you have also ORACLE_HOME backup) and try to make up your system
Regard
Helios

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EdStevens wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
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aee649c3-9d9a-40a3-bd64-460990851489 wrote:
I am a newbie to Oracle. I am having a question regarding user managed hot backup. My oracle version is 11.2.0.2 and OS version is OEL.
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Performing User-Managed Recovery
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