Score Editor and triplets

I have a piece in 4/4 with lots of triplets (it really should be 6/8, but hey).
I have all the note positions and lengths quantized to 1/6-note.
There is a measure that consists of a note 5/6 long, followed by a different note that's 1/6 long. It winds up as
dotted half, 1/16th rest, (1/16 note, 1/18 note)
I was hoping for
(half, quarter trip, quarter trip), quarter trip
Parentheses indicate what's tied. (how do I post an image?)
Other places involving quarter triplets got written correctly. Such as
a 4/6, 1/6, 1/6 sequence that shows as
(half, quarter trip), quarter trip, quarter trip
What's up with this case?
thanks
fred

I figured this out. I turned off "Interpret", and now all is well.

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[img] http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture3.png [/img]
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[img]http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture4.png[/img]
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