Separate Dual Stack

Good Day:
I need a recommendation, i need separate the Java system from a dual stack system, this not is the problem, the problem are 3:
1. Is a CRM System. (What i need look between systems to preserve the configurations and communications between systems)
2. Is a distributed system, the stack Java+ABAP is in one physical Hardware and the data base is in another, the destination for Java is another physical Hardware.
3. Taking on mind the point 2, is necessary install in the same DataBase.
Taks a lot for your answer!
Best regards!

MY MESSAGE TO SAP
Good day:
Context:
We update our version of SAP CRM 2006 and CRM 7.0 EHP1 with Netweaver 7.2 so far everything
is correct.
Technical Environment:
SAP EHP 1 for SAP CRM 7.0 is on SAP NetWeaver 7.02 and installed on ABC-Server on dual-
stack, a the second server DEF-Server is the database is required only to separate
instances of the ABAP-JAVA, Java go to the server GHI-Server, but the database is not
split.
Problem:
Once make the system upgrade, se second step is splitting the Dual-Stak, in this step we
don't found a tool for make the split, the cuestions are three, 1) exist a tool for make
this task? 2) if not. how we can make this? 3) this is supported by SAP
under what
specifications.
we try to make a split by the stardart sapinst but when we try to import the data base the
system say what this is not support on the database but is the same database engine
(Server).
Normally this task is simple but the option, system copy and extraction, for a new
installation and the creation of the other system with individual database is not possible

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