Server side includes: outdated and not supported by host?

I've been using SSI's for ages with no problem from any host. Recently I signed up with a new web hosting company, one of the more established ones in the Seattle area. They do not support SSI's and claim that using them is not safe and is not a modern approach to web design. They suggested I use a more advanced programming language to create my sites, such as ASP.NET (something I have no desire to do).
Are server side includes outdated and no longer the way to do things? I find that hard to believe.
-Jesse

Are server side includes outdated and no longer the way to do things? I find that hard to believe.
That language is from Microsoft who seem to think so along with Windows based hosting providers offering ASP.NET.
IIS no longer comes with SSI installed by default. It has to be configured by the hosting provider.
http://blogs.iis.net/robert_mcmurray/archive/2010/12/28/iis-notes-on-server-side-includes- ssi-syntax-kb-203064-revisited.aspx
However, classic SSIs (in the sense of including static content from one page inside another) are still one of the most powerful, safe and flexible tools for managing repetitive page elements in any web page. Not to mention easy.
ASP.NET has its own way of doing the equivalent of SSIs - and lots more beside but much of which does not interest web designers at this stage.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/894720/asp-net-equivalent-of-server-side-includes
http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/answer/Alternatives-to-server-side-includes-fo r-ASPNET

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Making drop down menus in server side includes

Can drop down menus be part of a server side include? If not,
how do I have drop down menus in my pages without copying the code
to all the pages individually?
I am working in Dreamweaver 8 on a Mac. I've made the drop
down menus using the behaviors window. Everything is fine in the
original html file. When I use the file as an include in my main
page, the javascript drop downs do not work. I have the style sheet
used in the drop down file attached to the main page. What do I
need to do with the main page to have the drop down menu work? I
need to use this drop down on the majority of my pages. Thanks!
Note: I've taken out the extra code in the include file
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN" "
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1" /> <title>Untitled
Document</title></head><body></body></html>

> Can drop down menus be part of a server side include?
Sure - it's the only way I do them.
> I've made the drop down menus using the behaviors window
That's too bad. You will want to read this -
http://www.losingfight.com/blog/2006/08/11/the-sordid-tale-of-mm_menufw_menujs/
There are MUCH better ways -
Check the uberlink and MacFly tutorials at PVII -
http://www.projectseven.com/
and the Navbar tutorial/articles at Thierry's place
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/
Or this one (more recent article):
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/Pure_CSS_Dropdown_Menus.asp
Or to get it done fast, go here -
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm
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> Can drop down menus be part of a server side include? If
not, how do I
> have
> drop down menus in my pages without copying the code to
all the pages
> individually?
>
> I am working in Dreamweaver 8 on a Mac. I've made the
drop down menus
> using
> the behaviors window. Everything is fine in the original
html file. When I
> use
> the file as an include in my main page, the javascript
drop downs do not
> work.
> I have the style sheet used in the drop down file
attached to the main
> page.
> What do I need to do with the main page to have the drop
down menu work? I
> need
> to use this drop down on the majority of my pages.
Thanks!
>
> Note: I've taken out the extra code in the include file
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Transitional//EN"
> "
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html
> xmlns="
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head> <meta
> http-equiv="Content-Type"
> content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" />
<title>Untitled
>
Document</title></head><body></body></html>
>
>

Server Side Includes and Divs

I have a template (dwt) for my site with editable regions for
menus. I want to use Server Side Includes for the menu, as not all
the pages will have the same menu.
I have designed the site template (and pages) with css and
divs. The area for the SSI is a div of size 145x335. The menu which
I want to put inside this div will be a div based menu. I havent
had any luck displaying the Div from the SSI yet. I have been
looking on Google for help, but not much luck. I can get the Div to
appear but the formatting doesnt show up.
Im putting the SSI code in where I want it on the page, but
im not sure exactly which code to get rid of in the shtml file. I
know I need to remove body, head parts etc
My site template uses CSS stored on the document, not an
external css file.
Any ideas?

> Im sure Ive not got it right yet!! My head wont work
lately!
Yes. It's not working well here, either.
Create your template with the editable region. In it, have
links to a) the
general stylesheet for all the pages, and b) the general
stylesheet for all
of the includes (these don't really need to be separate
files). Spawn a
child page, drop in the desired include, and save that page
as
whocares.shtml.
That's it....
The incude files themselves can be names anything you want -
I like the
'monkeybutt' extension, e.g.,
yourinclude.monkeybutt
The include files can make reference to CSS selectors, but
cannot have
embedded CSS rules, or links to external CSS files.
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> Ive made myself confused now! I need it spelling out to
me!
>
> Ok, a template file (dwt) with its css as an external
style sheet.
>
> Rest of the sites pages made from the template file.
>
> Next, the template has one editable region for a choce
of 2 div based
> menus to
> be placed into. Place either of these div menus into the
template editable
> region by creating two seperate SHTML files - one for
each menu with the
> body/head removed(and with internal or external css?)
>
> Next put the SSI code into the body of the template
where I want the SSI
> to
> appear.
>
> Im sure Ive not got it right yet!! My head wont work
lately!
>

Are nested server side includes supported in DW?

Using DW 5.5 on Win 7, Apache 2.2 setup. Does DW Design view support nested server-side includes? I have to work on an old legacy site with nested ssi's that I haven't worked on for quite awhile, and I noted that while working on a page the left side column was not displaying in Display mode, so where the left column should be is just an empty blank div.
I could swear that DW used to display the nested ssi's, but looking at it now, it certainly isn't.
The left side column is just a div that is ssi included in the bodies of the pages ( nothing special ). It ssi includes various pieces such as news, announcements, etc. Everything displays fine on the website, but in the Design view the nested SSI's don't display.
Thanks,
Doug

Ken, yes it's an include(s) inside an include. In this case the leftcolumn.html is server-side included in all the pages on the site. Inside the leftcolumn.html are four server-side includes for announcements, news, calendar, and next meeting info. Each of those are separate .html files that are constantly edited. It makes things nice and neat and I can give permission to other people to edit the individual files without screwing up the leftcolumn.html or the whole page. So leftcolumn.html is just a div with a width/margins/background color class and the four server-side includes. Of course you have to tell IIS or Apache you want to allow .html files to use ssi's, but that is simple enough and I think nicer than using .shtml's. YMMV.
What I thought I remembered was that the left column was fully displayed in the Split or Design modes, but I guess I was wrong. All I see is an empty leftcoumn div that has the proper width and background color. I work almost exclusively in DW code view or sometimes Split View, or use another editor like Brackets or CFBuilder, and just switch to a browser to view the pages.
Doug

Server Side Includes not displaying in DW CS3 design view

I have this code in my page (see below):
When I open the file in Dreamweaver MX 2004 in design view,
the page displays correctly. That is, I see the correct styles from
the style sheet contained in Head_Standard.html and the logo/menu
in Logo_TopMenu.html
When I open the page in DW CS3, I do not see the effects of
the style sheet and I do not see the logo/menu.
However, when I change the code for the first include from:
virtual="/ServerSide
to
virtual="
../../ServerSide
then the page renders correctly in Dreamweaver CS3.
My first reaction was: what?! And my question is: how do I
use a root reference inside the head and get it to display properly
in DW CS 3?

"Go to Edit > Preferences > Invisible Elements >
Server-Side Includes (Check this box) to show contents of included
file"
I already do this.
For me:
/ServerSide... does NOT work
../../ServerSide... works
So, a relative reference works and a reference to the root
does not. I have over 20 websites with root references and I need
this to work in DW9.

Server Side Includes not rendering correctly in Firefox with Layers

Hi
The server side includes are not correctly rendering with layers in firefox. From my site here:-
http://www.osteriastecca.com/index.php
the home_page.php content renders above a layer on the index.php page. Initially I thought this might be a Flash layer issue but the wmode is set correctly to transparent and it works fine with a normal ssi. It also works fine in Firefox without a server side include as you can see here:-
http://www.osteriastecca.com/index_old.php
Works fine in IE and Safari, but not Firefox.
How can this be rectified?
Regards
Glennyboy

What testing server setup do you have? Are you using something like WAMP?
What do you see on screen which tells you the SSIs are not rendering? Any error message?

Server Side Includes for Apache and parsing text files

I have an old website I used to do zipped up and I decided to set it up on my personal webserver in OS X . I got apache configured to allow server side includes (edited the httpd.conf to all them:
<Directory />
Options FollowSymLinks Indexes MultiViews Includes
AllowOverride None
</Directory>
But I can't get the pages to come up. See I have this .shtml page which loads fine and a part of it has this line:

But it won't parse that txt file and show the html that its formatted in.
Anyone have any ideas on how to get it to parse that txt file? Even if I load just that txt file it shows raw code not it formatted. Please help.

Ignore that first reply. I thought I was dealing with server.
As usual, I fogot to make sure that Includes was in the Options directive for the DOCUMENT_ROOT or VirtualHost. After 10 years, you'd think I'd remember that. I just configged one of my macs to do SSI. Here's the 3 lines that I changed:
Line 399 (the DOCUMENT_ROOT definition): Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews Includes
Line 887 (To use server parsed HTML): AddType text/html .shtml
Line 888: AddHandler server-parsed .shtml
apachectl restart
and off it went!
Roger

Server-side includes not showing in new DW CS5.5. Any suggestions?

I have used DW for years and years and have never had any problems. I just installed CS5.5 and am not seeing my php includes in the design pane. I've searched the forums but have not found a working answer.
I'm editing files I've edited in CS5 and earlier with no problem.
I've checked the server-side includes box in the configuration but no change occurs.
Does anyone have any suggestions?

What testing server setup do you have? Are you using something like WAMP?
What do you see on screen which tells you the SSIs are not rendering? Any error message?

Tabbed panels, Collapsible Panel, and Server Side Include

Hi,
I'm having a problem with the way a Server Side Include inside a Collapsible Panel displays.
Here is how this particular page is set up.
The page has spry tabbed panels.
>>A panel has one overall Collapsible panel (the main product tab)
>>>>Nested in that Collapsible panel are four other collapsible panels (Overview, Features, Screenshots, What's New).
>>>>>>In each of these four collapsible panels is a server side Include that features that category's content
E verything works fine as far as opening and closing is concerned. However, the problem is with the display. The content panel doesn't resize with the Include content, and therefore, the Include content extends outside the border of the content panel.
I'm thinking this is because it is Include content rather than normal content. Is that right?
Do I fix this by changing the overflow value of one the Tabbed Panel CSS styles? If so, which one should I change, and to what value?
Or if that's not how to fix it, can anyone tell me how?
Thanks a lot,
Mike

Hi, I'm using the latest version of Spry. I modified some CSS rules of the tabbed panels, but not the javascript file. I didn't do anything to the Collapsible Panel rules.
Since first posting this thread, I changed the overflow of the Tabbed Panels Content Group CSS rule to "scroll". That did produce a scroll, but I'd much rather have the panel expand. So, I changed it back the way it was.
Here's the page I'm working on. Click the Court Solutions tab to get to the problem panel.
http://www.ptssolutions.com/Test/public_safety_products_3.shtml
It has different results in IE and FireFox, but doesn't work correctly in either.
Thanks a lot for all your help,
Mike

Server side include does not appear in browser

I've imbedded a server side include within an html file. I
can see it in the Dreamweaver design previewer, but it does not
appear when displaying the html in a browser. I've tried saving the
included file as "html", "htm", "shtml", and "shtm". Nothing seems
to work.
Any guesses?

On apache, you have to use either shtm(l), or PHP. And in the
event that
you use the latter, the include directives must be PHP
includes, not HTML
includes, e.g., this -
<?php require('includes/foo.php') ?>
not this -

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"Dave Bar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Interesting you mention this, I was just experementing
with this today.
> I traditionally use .asp and IIS when using Include
techniques.
>
> I have a client on an apache server, and they can't run
asp, so I had to
> test using html.
>
> This is what I found.
> Since I'm running IIS, I had to use shtml (their apache
server may run it
> with regular html).
>
> I also had to make sure I was using the IIS Localhost in
my url.
> so this worked:
>
http://localhost/tests_and_examples/TEMP/TestInclude.shtml
>
> While this did not:
>
http://localhost/tests_and_examples/TEMP/TestInclude.html
(notice the
> missing s in shtml)
>
> And this did not:
>
file:///C:/Inetpub/wwwroot/tests_and_examples/TEMP/TestInclude.shtml
> (Notice a regular file:/// instead of using IIS
localhost)
>
> Hope that helps
> -Dave
>
> "rsimmons1957" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
> news:frboib$dn5$[email protected]..
>> I've imbedded a server side include within an html
file. I can see it in
>> the
>> Dreamweaver design previewer, but it does not appear
when displaying the
>> html
>> in a browser. I've tried saving the included file as
"html", "htm",
>> "shtml",
>> and "shtm". Nothing seems to work.
>>
>> Any guesses?
>>
>
>

Server Side Includes and Javascript

Can one safely include javascript in a server-side include
(SSI) file? It seems to work but don't know if it will create
problems down the line. I am using a roll-over navigation bar
created and generated in Fireworks. It seems to defeat the purpose
of using SSI if you can't include the javascript since if there was
a change at some point to the navigation bar you would have to
change the javascript that went with it. And it is nice to keep all
that extra coding out of every file on the site. IS there an
official word on this or some process in creating a SSI file that
could prevent any problems?
You can see the file I created using this at
http://www.hopkinsandporter.com/test.shtml

> Can one safely include javascript in a server-side
include (SSI) file?
Yes, but it makes your parent page's derived code messy.
> I am using a
> roll-over navigation bar created and generated in
Fireworks.
This is a big mistake for so many reasons.
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"TSemmes" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Can one safely include javascript in a server-side
include (SSI) file? It
> seems
> to work but don't know if it will create problems down
the line. I am
> using a
> roll-over navigation bar created and generated in
Fireworks. It seems to
> defeat the purpose of using SSI if you can't include the
javascript since
> if
> there was a change at some point to the navigation bar
you would have to
> change
> the javascript that went with it. And it is nice to keep
all that extra
> coding
> out of every file on the site. IS there an official word
on this or some
> process in creating a SSI file that could prevent any
problems?
>
> You can see the file I created using this at <a
target=_blank
> class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge
> href="
http://www.hopkinsandporter.com/test.shtml">http://www.hopkinsandporter.co
> m/test.shtml</a>
>

Server Side Includes and php

I have php forms on a site update. I want to use a server side include to keep the dynamic menu off the template. The include works on the home page and other .shtm pages, but not on the php. This can't be impossible. What's the hint? I can't (or can I) save the php as .shtm. and the thread will not allow any of the file types to be attached. Ergo ... the link:http://shrhabitat.org/index09.shtm, the include: http://shrhabitat.org/includes/hfhshrmenu.lbw, the contact form: http://shrhabitat.org/contactus.php
don Carlos de la Playa

Alrighty then, What I did was add both html and php include code to the template. It seems to work without duplication. For the experts in the crowd, will this blow up in my face someday? As near as I can tell, I just need to ensure that any changes are made to both files which, after all, clones of one another.
Ya'll have a fine Virginia day, now. Y'hear?
don Carlos de la playa

Server Side Include not functioning the same across website

digitaldealershipsystem.com

** this is the navigation pulldown.
This works on most of the main pages
When you go to
digitaldealershipsystem.com/live.html
digitaldealershipsystem.com/live2.html
digitaldealershipsystem.com/live3.html
The same is included but does not work on Chrome, but does work on Firefox
To restate, the naming is the same on all web pages, and it works on Chrome -- except for these "live" pages
On Firefox, they work on all pages, included live pages
For testing purposes on the following page, I tried 'virtual' file and that did not change the results in either browser
digitaldealershipsystem.com/live4.html
My thoughts:
If there is a conflict on the page, then why only is Chrome being effected
Any ideas?

If clearing the cache does not help, then check your code validation - you have several errors. Server side includes are browser independant - because they are assembled on the server, not the client. If there's a difference in rendering between browsers, it has to do with your html/css and has nothing to do with SSI.

What is the difference between jsp :include and server side include

what is the difference between jsp :include and server side include(request dispatcher include method)????
i understand that both request dispatcher include method and jsp:include take dynamic data,so when would one use request dispatcher include and when jsp:include.
Is the usage interchangeable?i believe jsp include is used only for jsp/html but include directive can be used to include servlets ,jsp and html....correct me if i m wrong and
do suggest if u hav ny other diff in this context...

The difference really is: in what format do you want your inclusions? If your environment has many Java developers and only a few designers that focus mainly on, say, Flash, that might push you more towards the server-side include() directive. Or, if you have a large set of pages that receive dynamic content that is displayed in a consistent fashion (such as a workflow header area on a page).
If, on the other hand, you have more web designers, there may be a greater desire to deal in markup rather than Java code. Java developers themselves might prefer to view markup (JSP) that more resembles the eventual output than something occuring in Java code.
Finally, there are considerations of tiering. While it is totally possible to (and I have previously) implement 'view classes' that render markup or generate layout templates, JSP's offer, IMO, a subtle, psychological advantage. By forcing a developer to work in a different format, markup versus Java source, the separation on view from controller and model becomes a bit easier. It is still possible to make mistakes, but if a developer at some point notices, "Wait, I'm in a JSP, should I be importing a java.sql class?", then the choice to use JSP includes has paid off in spades.
- Saish

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