SLOW, FAST, TURBO, ULTRA TURBO

Hey Guys
Nice forum....Just have to get used to it. I find the searching isnt as good as the lats one but look gr8.  
Anyways I have just got 1024MB Corsair PC3200 2-2-2-5 RAM. Its amazing made my PC so much faster and timings have made it so responsive.  
Anyways I have a 875P motherboard like you can see below but in the BIOS I can select different options (Performance Options)
SLOW -> FAST -> TURBO -> ULTRA TURBO.
What exactly do these do? On my last generic RAM I had it on FAST and not have it on TURBO. Is it worth goin onto ULTRA TURBO? Also how kinda effect with these setting have on the life of the PC.
Cheers guys
SASpaz

Here is a review, there is also a lot there to take in but,
http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/memory/corsair_twinx3200xl/page3.php
The settings you are referring to are associated with PAT.  
There are different levels of PAT, if you choose slow, is it off in CPUZ?
FAST
TURBO
ULTRA TURBO
CPUZ will report PAT to be enabled on all of these settings but it may not be fully enabled.
ULTRA TURBO = FULLY enabled PAT mode.
Run this program to tell you the level of PAT
ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/ctiaw.zip
Extract it to a folder, run the lowercase version.
See what PAT level it is running at.
Then change modes and run the program again.
What it does, going back to the INTEL link,
The setting adjust the memory/chipset timings to achieve higher system performance.
It should not be a problem if you have good memory.
Now is this starting to make sense

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    No one knows for sure, MAT is enabled in 1.6 on turbo and ultra turbo, it also seems to use more agressive memory timings - the sisoft sandra scores at turbo and ultra turbo are excellent.

  • Problem on fast, Turbo, Ultra Turbo. bios 1.5 still buggy.

    Ok, I'm using my 875P neo(1.5 bios)  as a realtime video editing system,  I have realtime Video out both on  Analog and DV (Firewire)  with a Canopus card DV Storm 2.
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    Dragak,
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  • Neo Bios 1.6 and Slow/Fast/Turbo/Ultra Modes

    Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the Slow/Fast/Turbo/Ultra modes in Bios 1.6 on the Neo boards?
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  • Fast ? Turbo? Ultra turbo?

    Hi folks,
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    Btw, the bandwidth increased by set to slow -> fast -> turbo. I found this result from the Sandra.
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    That's the entire point of having those settings, to increase bandwith. Bandwith is the amount of data that the memory on your mobo can recieve within a certain period of time. That's why the label is usually MB/s (Megabits per second).
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  • MSI Fast - Turbo - Ultra RAM settings on KT6V

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    Quote
     BIOS Type AMI® BIOS   File Sizes 267KB
      Version  1.30   Update date 2004-1-15
      Update Description Removed the "MEMORY TIMING" setting from the BIOS. System will have no display when user change the "MEMORY TIMING" option in the BIOS, from NORMAL to FAST or ULTRA. The selection in the BIOS is for over-clocking only. But some memories can't be over-clocked and caused the compatibility issue.
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  • Enabling Ultra-Turbo fails, resets to slow

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  • Who can run in ultra turbo with low cas ramm. read pls..ill explain

    This doent pertain to overclocker casue if you go over 219 fsb on 800 fsb pcu it disables mat..
    Who here with an 865, 875 mobo can run 2 or 2.5 cas timings in ultra turbo with less then 215 FSB.
    If so which brand ramm and what bios and board do you have .
    I am about to order ramm thats iss 3-3-3-8 but i would rather get the corsair xmas which is 2-3-3-6 if id be able to run it in ultra turbo..
    what do you think and all responses definately appreciated.....

    Quote
    Originally posted by billy
    and i might be wrong is that is you disabled speed from ayto it disables mat but im unsure..
    All i know is that before i flashed my bios on my old pcb, all was wel in ultra turbo ..
    After the flash couldnt do it anymore regardless of old flash and msi on the phone for 2 hours....
    I think the 875 p has some hidden number which it calculates as being dafe or not, if your memory regardless of what timings you set it at reads lower then it thinks safe you will crash at boot.
    Thats why i am making all this hype about memory . I cant afford to rMa belive you me i want that corsair twinx1024-3200cpt thats listed in the ramm module spec. Only thing is how to tell if its version 1.1 like they ask . I dont think version 1.1 is abtainable. this is referring to the ramm list for the neo 875 fisr pcb 2.0 . Also it lists ocz but which one do i get..
    From what you are telling me, is anyone will work and to get2-2-2-5 if i can , but i think there might be a catch to this when the boards reads it. Im unsure. If so how to fake out the bios and let your manuel timings stick.
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    remarks lol... If you know a way around this...   also if you can tell me about that corsir ramm listed in the fisr's list.  i can buy it but how do i know its v1.1 lol...
    no, MAT can be still enabled with SPD disabled. for example i have the performance mode enabled, but i set my RAM timings manually. but i said that before, you must have missed it...
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    and as that other guy said, 2-3-2-6 rated memory is always a safe bet as far as compatibility is concerned, from Kingston, Corsair or whoever. the new BIOS version dont have any problems with that from my experience.
    as i said, i dont understand your other questions, but i hope your memory issue is solved.
    Quote
    I'm not going to bother reading what everyone else posted, I have that 2-3-2-6 rated memory from corsair, and I run ultra-turbo. N/P
    with SPD enabled or disabled? im just asking because i cant set MAT to ultra turbo with SPD setting the memory timings. Turbo is the best i can do here.

  • Freezes after few mins. + how to enable Turobo mode/Ultra-Turbo

    hello,
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    greetz

    Yes you have to first make sure that you take it nice and easy when you OC, Go up in small steps and stay there for a while, play a game run a benchmark, whatever....You just want to make sure that your PC remains stable and Most important runs COOL ......The one thing that you must change in your BIOS is the DRAM(VDIMM) voltage to 2.7 Volts...That will Most likely stop your Freez-ups....And in order to enable Turbo or Ultra-Turbo....It is on the Frequency and voltage Page at the Top.....These settings are going to tighten up your Memory Timings, so you should start with a Non-Overclocked FSB, And try to enable Fast, or Turbo.....You should do a search on these Subjects in the Forum, as there are Quite a Few......Just remember to go slow and not get greedy, or you might harm your System ...............Sean REILLY875

  • Unable to activate ultra-turbo on 865PE N2 FIS2R

    Hi all. I cannot turn on ultra-turbo mode under any circumstances whatsoever, though I really rather think I should be able to, given my ram. Specs are as follows:
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    Nothing simplistic about the question. This topic is the poorest one in the manual. It gets off to a bad start by calling normal performance "Slow". If you can post and run stable at Fast then you should find the the Intel PAT (MSI MAT) feature is enabled. You can check this using CPUID under the memory tab. I think, but I haven't seen benchmarks, that the improvements seen using Turbo or Ultra Turbo over Fast are marginal. If you can run stable at either of these settings great; if not its not a big deal, particulary with your CPU. With your hardware you should be able to overclock by 10% with stock cooling.

  • TURBO or ULTRA TURBO with NO PAT= Higher Stability

    Hi all, I was playing around with a computer I am building for a friend with the Neo2 board and 2 sticks of ddr400 Micron memory and I discovered something:
    If you enable Turbo or Ultra Turbo (didn't try Fast) and manually set the memory to 400mhz, then PAT is NOT ENABLED, BUT you still get a very considerable increase in memory bandwidth (according to sandra).
    In turbo I got about 4800 mb/s and in Ultra Turbo I got  4910 MB/S. What's the point you might ask? Well, the computer did not crash at all while playing any game (UT2003, Call of Duty) or while benchmarking (ran 3dmark01 in a loop for 2 hours, and 3dmark03 as well).
    If I set the memory frequency to AUTO and set Turbo or Ultra turbo, PAT would be enabled but I did get occasional crashes while playing games (crash to desktop, not BSOD). However, memory bandwidth is like 100mb/s or so higher with PAT (not worth it).
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    I have tried the FSB at 218 and turbo setting then PAT is on
    but when playing games get the bsod sometimes.
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    So PAT on Then PAT off bit of a gimmick i think, can't see it taking off unless it stays on when oc is implemented otherwise it will have to be off so no point in having it!  

  • Guys what do i have to do to get turbo or ultra turbo to work

    iam able to use fast but not turbo or ultra turbo. here is my specs and settings can you guys please tell me what i need to change in order to be able to use turbo and ultra turbo settings.
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    thx

    Quote
    Originally posted by cruzlink2
    guys i was thinking since iam having such a hard time finding the right settings to be able to use turbo or ultra turbo, should i go for a manual overclock?
    what do you guys think?
    and if overclock is better how should i go about doing it?
    my specs are:
    P4 2.4GHz HT 800MHz fsb
    2* 512mb verto high speed ddr 3500
    Radeonmemory SPD 2.5,3,3,6
     AIW 9700 pro
    MSI NEO 2 FISR
    ThermalTake pure power 480watt psu
    ThermalTake Xaser II case with 5 fans
    Zalman CNPS5700D cpu cooler
    I have been asking the same question for awhile get a few good inputs on the subject and different settings but nothing set out properly
    I still amd trying to get the best config for my bios
    Dynamic Overclocking: ?
    Performance Mode: ?
    CPU Ratio Selection: Locked
    DRAM Frequency: ?
    Spread Spectrum: Disabled
    Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz): ?
    DDR Clock (Mhz): ?
    Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz): ?
    CPU Vcore Adjust: No
    CPU VCore: ?
    DDR Power Voltage: ?
    AGP Power Voltage:?
    DRAM Size 1024 MBytes
    DRAM Frequency ?
    FSB:DRAM ?
    CAS# Latency ?
    RAS# to CAS# ?
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    Cycle Time (TRAS) ?
    # of memory modules 2

  • Turbo (MAT) and Ultra Turbo (MAT)

    What exactly are they doing at the board level to increase performance?  Since its a memory bandwidth optimization, what are they doing to increase the bandwidth with these features?

    SPD uses info programmed into the ram sticks to decide what settings to use for particular speeds. You can use a utility like Sisoft Sandra to see what is programmed.
    Normal, Fast, Turbo and Ultra-Turbo are the performance mode settings. Fast and higher enable the PAT mode (see  P4 Neo Unofficial Guide ). However, at FSB settings higher than 218, PAT becomes disabled. At settings higher than approximately 225, the 'lost' performance is regained. The settings themselves allow the bios to set progressively more agressive memory settings.
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  • Check this out: stable Ultra Turbo @ FSB below 218!

    Hi guys...
    After a little frustating because my Twinx LL can't run MAT stable @ any settings (FSB below 218), and confirmed by many of thread that nobody (ok, some claim they can) can't run Ultra Turbo @ FSB below 218... I have a new hope with Twinx XL! (and maybe other similar new 2-2-2-5 series).
    Finally I found a great match for my 865PE board! Twinx XL! (haven't try another 2-2-2-5 great series from OCZ, Crucial, Mushkin, & Kingston)
    Now I could run Ultra Turbo MAT below 218 stable with this board. See this:
    FAILED:
    - FSB 218, timing 2-3-2-5, Ultra Turbo: (CPU-Z confirmed PAT on)
      --> Bandwith: 5423/5413
      --> Cache & Memory: 10007/11.1
      --> Prime95: seconds... not stable...(just like my old Twinx LL)
    - FSB 218, timing 2-3-2-5, 2.9v, Ultra Turbo:
      (CPU-Z confirmed PAT off --maybe by set CAS to 2.5, however it run on CAS 2-- )
      --> Bandwith: 5347/5337
      --> Cache & Memory: 9928/11.5
      --> Prime95: 3 hours 13 minutes... not stable... but pretty enough, huh?
      (however, I'm not to sure how to make CPU-Z said PAT off while MAT ON & FSB
    STABLE:
    - FSB 209, timing 2-2-2-5 (!), Ultra Turbo: (CPU-Z confirmed PAT on)
      --> Bandwith: 5233/5223 (hey, this is only with FSB 209!! overcome 875 boards? hehe...)
      --> Cache & Memory: 9847/10.6 (see, how fast the speed factor is!)
      --> Prime95: 42 Minutes (ok, it's not enough, but I don't have time)
    - FSB 216, timing 2-3-2-5, 2.9v, Ultra Turbo:
      (CPU-Z confirmed PAT off, just like 218 above)
      --> Bandwith: 5294/5318 , 5314/5317 , 5287/5293 , 5325/5282 , 5324/5317 , 5318/5325 (ok, rate it yourself )
      --> Cache & Memory: 9847/11.4 , 9851/11.3
      --> Prime95: 6 hours (how 'bout this?)
    So?
    Am I achieved good scores? Remember, it's only PC3200... Please, give me feedback!
    (note: I have updated my sig, see those XL's have come in)
    nb: I trade my LL with XL and only pay $15. I think it's okay.
    O yeah, and I could run FSB 233, 2-3-3-6 easily, and more I think, as Corsair (and review sites) said it could run to FSB 250. Yeah however Corsair is not alone, OCZ, Kingston, and Mushkin already released their RAM with Samsung chip, which perform similar. Also Crucial with Ballistix (using their Micron chip) give a great performance according to http://www.anandtech.com.

    hi, NovJoe
    Quote
    I can say that it's at the correct level that you can obtain with PC3200 RAMs.
    I don't think so. As many couldn't run stable MAT @ ultra turbo with FSB below 218, am I right?
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    I wouldn't say that it's good but you can achieve more with higher speed RAMs
    Emm. Yes, with more heat of course  . I just try to get the max with the minimum. And I can get that bandwith (around 5300) only @ FSB 233, which brings my CPU to 3.26 Ghz. Compare this with FSB 218, 3.05 Ghz. I think it will be cooler.
    Quote
    Next, since your thread is mainly on Overclocking,
    No... my point isn't overclocking, but only get stable Ultra Turbo MAT (below 218 of course), which is a great feature (can get this board overcome some 875 system). And many 865PE Neo-2 users want to use this feature (including me).
    But, it's ok, up to you, Sir!  

  • Ultra turbo on 875PNEO

    hi, i have my system running ultra turbo and it is stable.
    now could anybody tell me what bench marks i should be expecting performance wise?
    still not having any luck with HT though...

    I decided to try Aida32, as hetzer suggested.
    Here are couple screenshots of the results:
    Aida Memory Read, Aida Memory Write, Sandra Memtest and finally, Prime Torture at work. This isn't benchmark, but just screenshot of Prime95 Torture at work.. Nice "heartbeat" on Memory  
    Scores are actually almost identical with hetzers scores. So.. nothing new, but had to try and why not post results?

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