Smart objects generate huge ( 10 GB) temp files ??

Hi folks. I think there's a bug in CS3's smart object handling. Everytime I move (not resize!) a smart object, the temp file's size increases by some 100-200 MB. I easily get over 10 GB just by moving around a single object repeatedly.
I find that quite weird, given that normal layer moving does not significantly alter the temp file's size. And PS only has to store the smart objects new X and Y coordinates as the object itself does not change. Am I missing something ? Anybody knows what's going on ?

Converting Smart objects back to embedded layers would be a very useful addition. "Return to layers" would be a good term for it.
If you are looking for real world examples where this would be useful Chris
to simplify and bring down the file size of a file that has got out of hand with smart Objects. Some sort of global command "embed all Smart objects" in the layer/smart objects menu would also be useful for this purpose.
Objects of the same res and profile could then be non-destructively edited by swapping them in and out of smart objects for direct editing within the master document.
would be particularly useful when for example you need to detach a single instance of a duplicated SO from the others.
There is sometimes a need to return layers, and adjustments back into the master document to directly modify how they interact with their surroundings in terms of color and masking - for compositing. Its useful for simplicity to have them tucked away as SO's still
Of course data loss due to resampling, bit depth and modes could be greeted with a warning, perhaps the warning could be contextual "this operation will result in data loss, will decrease file size by 75%, change its mode from LAB, and resample the embedded pixels to 120%".
What happens to the smart-filters? if they are there, a choice either to rasterise them or abandon them

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                xmlns:xmp="http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/">
             <xmp:ModifyDate>2010-08-16T22:47:35-04:00</xmp:ModifyDate>
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