[SOLVED] F2FS Stability/Suitability Question

Just put a Samsung 840EVO in my laptop. Obviously, I run Arch.
Before I committ an installation, I would like to ask the community:
Is F2FS suitable for a production laptop?
And if not
Should I go with btrfs or stick with ext4?
I am looking for maximum reliability. I've not used either of these FS's before. I usually use ext4. Now that F2FS has an fsck....I am tempted.
Feedback/advice is appreciated.
Sincererly and respectfully,
Dave
Last edited by dcbdbis (2014-12-14 22:55:15)

As with anything, you should keep tested backups. 
But I run btrfs on my machine, and have not experienced any real issues.  Though my real data that I don't want to lose is on my file server that runs ext4.  When I first started using btrfs, there were a couple times I ended up with an unmountable filesystem.  But #btrfs in IRC is super friendly, as it their mailing list, so I was able to get the help required to get my system back into a mountable state.  For the past several months though, I have had zero issues, and their development is incredibly active.
I have noticed though, that there are quite a few Android ROM maintainers who have switched to using f2fs, so at least it is receiving lots of testing apparently.  I'm not sure what kind of development pace they have though, as I don't follow it at all.

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