Stuttering NTSC .m2v encode from PAL DV

Hi, I've captured a PAL Mini-DV cassette into FCP via Firewire - which correctly sees it as Lower Field First. I needed to produce an NTSC DVD of the footage. So in Compressor I went for 'Best Quality - 90 mins 4:3' and changed the video standard to NTSC. I encoded and went on to burn NTSC DVD in DVD Studio. The final disc plays fine and my monitor regognises it is receiving a 480i 60Hz signal. HOWEVER... the conversion in frame rates (25fps > 29.97fps) has been very evident, there aren't any field issues (no tearing on fast movements) but the feel of the video is of a distinct stutter as though some of the frames are being doubled up. I guess this is in fact what Compressor has had to do but is there any way of smoothing this change in frame rates?
Thanks,
Tom
Power Mac G5 Dual 2.7Ghz Mac OS X (10.4.2) 4GB RAM, 2TB RAID, FCP 5 Studio, Blackmagic Decklink HD+Multibridge.

Since you didn't mention it, I have to ask: did you adjust the relevant controls (Retiming, Resizing) to at least Better while setting Frame Controls to Custom in Compressor?

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I'm in Australia (PAL) but would like to produce dvd's that can be viewed in the USA.
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when you set iDVD to NTSC/29.97 and import a PAL iMovie, iDVD will convert your material and creates a NTSC videoDVD ...
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export your iM as 'QT/Full Quality' ..
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NTSC DVD production from PAL media

I have had issues producing DVD for the U.S in the past.
In New Zealand we can play both PAL and NTSC on probably 99% of the DVD players in the country. Same in Australia I believe.
Seems that the U.S has mostly NTSC only DVD players and it is difficult to find a PAL or dual standard player. (Is that correct?)
Is there a better (simpler, faster, less steps) way for me to produce DVDs for the U.S (NTSC) than the way I am doing it.
Edit in PAL project and out put movie.
Import PAL Movie into a NTSC Project. Small scale adjustment usually required
Export Movie (NTSC)
Encode NTSC Movie to MPEG (I use Main Concept ENcoder - standalone version)
Open mpeg in NTSC Encore Project and burn disks
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>it is difficult to find a PAL or dual standard player. (Is that correct?)
It is.
>Is there a better way for me to produce DVDs for the U.S
Maybe try DVFilm Atlantis.

What is the diffrent to encode in pal or ntsc?

hi
my source is analoge pal STB and i want to encode live streaming to FMS wordwide (us and europe)
what is diffrent between pal and ntsc?
what is best method to config?
thanks

If your source is PAL then use PAL settings, ie resolution that is the same aspect ratio of the PAL signal and also no more than 25fps. When being viewed on a computer it really doesn’t matter as the client isn’t constrained to formats like that.
You will probably get a better quality encode from PAL as the slightly lower frame rate means more bits per frame. Colours are usually more reliable from PAL also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL#PAL_vs._NTSC
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Ntsc dvd from pal project

I am working in an off-line HD PAL project (at DNxHD 36) on Avid Media Composer and I need to create a SD DVD to send to the US. I exported my sequence as PAL QT and now I've brought it into Compressor on my Mac but I'm a bit overwhelmed by the format conversion options. Any ideas about what to use would be gratefully received. I have DVD Studio Pro + Toast 8 too.
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In Compressor 2 (at least the one on one of my machines) in settings->Apple-Advanced Format Coversions you will see options for PAL/NTSC and you can start there and convert to the high end NSTC then encode to m2v. You should see some HD Uncompressed formats that should work to make a good self contained movie then encode that to m2v. I found the two step process as oppossed to sending straight to NTSC m2v (or really PAL) seems to work a bit better quality wise.
Definately test on short sections if you can to tweak because the converions can take a long time depedning on the machine and length of material.

I want to convert a movie that I've created in iMovie from PAL to NTSC.

I've created a large movie using PAL but now want to convert it to NTSC to send to my family in Canada. It took ages to create. Is there an easy way of doing the conversion? I don't want to have to do it all again.

Hi
A. Using iMovie'08 to 11 - Will not give 100% result - as You want interlaced SD-Video = NTSC
B. Converting from PAL to NTSC - is Never 100% loss free - but You lose a bit
I use iMovie HD6 or FinalCut - as they can deliver 100% over to program that converts.
• iMovie and iDVD can convert - BUT RESULT WILL BE Very POOOOR.
My notes on How I do it
PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL
A. Copying commercial DVDs - No Not possibly at all - Not even legal to discuss.
B. Home made DVDs (DVDs without copy protection)
C. Movies from iMovie or FinalCut
• Save as full quality QuickTime .mov and convert this with JES_Deinterlacer (free on Internet)
NTSC ---> PAL.
• Most often not necessary - Most stand alone PAL DVD-players playback NTSC
(if TV is old in BL/W)
PAL ---> NTSC.
• If played on Mac - not necessary AT ALL
• If on NTSC DVD-player - CONVERSION IS NEEDED - nearly no Stand alone NTSC-DVD-players
playback PAL at all.
To do this You need to convert the PAL DVD to streaming.DV or full quality QuickTime .mov
• I use Roxio Toast™ to do this (There are no free converter)
• JES_Deinterlacer (free on Internet) to convert to NTSC
• Set up an NTSC project (29.97fps or 30) in iDVD and import then burn
I burn to
• Verbatim DVD-R
• Set down burn speed in iDVD to x1 or x4 recommended by many
• Secure a minimum of 25Gb free space on internal boot hard disk before burning (IMPORTANT)
PAL is 25 fps and an analog TV standard of 625 lines
NTSC is 29.97 fps and 520 lines
NTSC (29.97fps) 520 lines - about 640x480 pixels (square) 720x480 rectangular (narrow) pixels
PAL (25 fps) 625 lines - about 768x576 pixels (square) 720x576 rectangular (narrow) pixels
to use a photo 702x480 resp 576 then add 9 pixels on each side to add together as 720
If iDVD hangs on PAL or NTSC.
Bengt W wrote
Deleting iDVD pref. file - should return You into NTSC mode.
Yes iDVD can switch to PAL - BUT as You see with a rather lousy result.
a. Need to convert to PAL - most often not - Most PAL-player can playback NTSC
and on a fairly new TV in color. (old TV in Bl/W)
(Other way around - from PAL to NTSC most often a must - few NTSC-player can use PAL)
b. IF MUST - then use JES_Deinterlacer to do this conversion - so much better and free.
My list on this (or rather PAL --> NTSC - just think the other way around)
I have to send it overseas
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DO Not let iMovie or iDVD do this conversion from one to the other - Result will be Very
BAD
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JES_Deinterlacer is free on Internet and there are Pro applications but not that much better and costs are astronomical.
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NTSC-DVDs - usually plays well in EU
All plays well on a Mac - What ever.
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Creating NTSC DVD in DVDStudio Pro from PAL material

I am UK based and normally work in PAL. I have used Final Cut Pro v5 and DVD Studio Pro v 4 quite a bit for making PAL DVDs and am pretty comfortable with the process.
But I now need to create an NTSC DVD and make copies to be played in the US. . The end product is a DVD, with a menu and twelve, chapters each only 1-2 mins long, to send to US clients so needs to look reasonable. I only have to run a few copies so will not be using a duplication/replication facility.
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I'm not sure what that means. Can you explain a little more about what are you converting and what are you using to convert it?
For my purposes, I'm starting out with a PAL video_ts folder (region free). I've cobbled together a best-guess workflow from sources all over the internet. Would you kindly check this and steer me away from any cliffs?
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• In the Geometry tab, set the Frame Size to 720x480 (you don't say if the file is 16:9 or 4:3)
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x

How to make an NTSC DVD from Pal & NTSC videos using CS3

Hi!
I am on CS3, on Windows.
I need to create an NTSC widescreen DVD from footage that is both NTSC and PAL. Also some of the footage is 4:3 and some 16:9.
What would be the best way to accomplish this.
I created an NTSC widescreen project in Premiere CS3. Imported all footage and arranged on timeline.
While exporting to Encore or to Media Encoder for MPEG 2 DVD - I am constantly getting the error "Failed to return video frame". Or "An unexpected error occured." I am unable to burn even and AVI. I have confirmed, that all audio and video clips are exact duration and that there is no gap between frames on timeline.
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I am racing against time, I have very tight timeline, I need to get it done today :-(
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How to convert from PAL to NTSC in compressor

I have a project I converted from mp4 file to Apple Pro Res to edit it in FCP. I exported using Compressor and tried to import the files to DVD Studio Pro. It said it can't put PAL files into an NTSC project. I didn't even realize it was filmed in PAL (yes, I have the rights to use the footage). How do I convert the files from PAL to put it into FCP...in Compressor? If so, how? Thanks for any help!

Since you've already edited it, export from fcp (file: export: quicktime movie - NOT quicktime conversion) with current settings. Bring this file into compressor and apply the appropriate dvd preset. Thencustomize the preset, changing the frame rate to 29.97 fps and video format to ntsc in the encoder panel: the pixel dimensions in the geometry panel to 720x480 (not sure if this is necessary, but doublecheck it). Then in the frame controls panel, enable frame controls and change the resize filter to best, and rate conversion to 100% of source and rate conversion to best. This may take a long time to output, so you might want to do a short test by setting an in and out in the compressor preview window.
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From PAL project to NTSC - easy way?

Hello,
I made a nice PAL DVD9 with 4 menu's and some submenu's and tons of little transition movies, and 10 shorts (animation) and some extra's (trailers, making of). The DVD's now at the replicator, has been tested and will be pressed.
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Hi
I am using background encoding on DVDSPRO.
Will this convert PAl to NTSC for me? It is after all converting the footage to an Mpeg format for me in the process. Will this Mpeg2 be NTSC?
Chris

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or click this
http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?threadID=&q=PAL+NTSC&objID=f952&dateRan ge=last90days&userID=&numResults=15

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Encore won't let me edit the quality settings to change from NTSC to PAL. These settings are greyed out. I take it they are dictated by the assets.
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