Supervisor who belongs to a different business group

Hello,
We have multiple business groups created. Can we have supervisor who belongs to a different business group and employees under him belong to a different business group?
Thank You
KK

Yes, you can.
Please go through the note below -
How Does the Cross Business Group Profile Option Impact the Application [ID 224822.1]
Please select the value for the profile HR: Cross Business Group accordingly.
Cheers,
Vignesh

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