Thinking of using own router

Hi,
I've just joined BT a few weeks ago and I'm thinking of using a different router than the Home Hub 5 to get better features and control of my network.
I currently have a support ticket logged with BT to find out what router settings I need to keep any eye out for when choosing my new router, and obviously the credentials I will need, however 6 days have past with no reply so I thought I'd post on here as well to see if anyone has any experience of this already?
I usually use Netgear equipment, but I need to make sure I get one with a built in modem (although I do still have my BT Openreach modem from my previous supplier, so I can use that if Nethear don't do a model that includes the modem) and is a decent spec.
Anyone done this before or have any suggestions?
Thanks for your help!
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Hi,
A decent looking router, my only issue would be that it doesnt support ac, I'd like to ensure my new router would be as 'future-proof' as possible so any suggestions for an ac model?
None of the Wireless VDSL2/ADSL2+ Modem Routers offered by TP link look to have ac which is bizarre!
For example I was looking something like:
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/dsl-modems-routers/D6200.aspx
Thanks for the link to your website, some interesting information on there, the only link I can see that looks to reference the username and password that you will need for the router seems to reference the account for BT Wi-fi? Is there a specific document for retreiving the username and password to authenticate for ADSL?
Thanks

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How To Use Your Own Router with Out Loosing Verizon's FIOS Services

How to use your own router with Verizon’s FIOS Service
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In my particular case the IP signal was provided by Ethernet. Again there are various ways of installing one’s own router. The hardest is to utilize Verizon’s router as a bridge. This setup requires configuring Verizon’s router as a bridge and also creating a VLAN (Virtual Local Area Networks). In addition one needs to set up their own router so it will work with the various routing tables and networks. For me this is too complex for the average person and it can be difficult to trouble shoot if something goes wrong. Please consider that Verizon will not support utilizing third party routers.
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Located the router’s MAC address and copy it down.
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Network Computer/Device: 192.168.1.100:63145
Application & Ports Forward: Application UDP Any -> 6347
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IP-STB1
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* IP Address: 192.168.1.100
IP Address Allocation: DHCP
*MAC Address:                07:73:fFe:ad:8b:3f
* Things you will need to write down
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Remove the Verizon router
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Go to DHCP section and reserve the STB IP’s by inserting the IP’s and MAC addresses. This shall ensure that nothing else utilizes the same IPs as the STBs thereby preventing IP address conflict.
Add the port forwards from Step 5 above.
Clone Verizon’s Mac Address utilizing the info from step 2
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Unplug and re-plugin your STB’s and test functionality. It’s best to try using a widget or Movie on demand function.
Note: if the new router can net get an internet signal contact Verizon’s support and have them release the IP and reset the ONT.
EVERYTHING should be working at this point.

3 Go to the port forwarding section and copy down the Applied Rules.
Example:
Network Computer/Device: 192.168.1.100:63145
Application & Ports Forward: Application UDP Any -> 6347
Note: There may be up to three entries for each one of your Set Top Boxes.G
Your display obviously is not like mine as mine does not dosplay the port associated with the ip address
whatever, the STB's start at 192.168.1.100 and icement by 1 for each
the port addr's will be 63145 alo incrementing by 1
there is 1 entry for each in my pf list
however each ip addr also has a port entry starting at 35000 also incrementing by 1 for each ip addr
For some unknow reason these are duplicated e.g I appear to have 11 entries exaactly the same for each stb and as the fios services rules have no action switc there is nowhere to delete the extraneous garbage.
Why do you clone the mac addr??

Using your own router - out of warranty

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Firstly, are you an ADSL or Fibre customer as your posts so far don't make it clear?
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Will using your own router allow loopback connections?

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NAT loopback is defined as a function of a router where connections to ports on the outside IP address are translated and routed to the server defined in the router, even when the connection attempt comes from the "inside" portion of the network.
e.g.. Let's say we have a router with an outside IP address of 99.99.99.99 (a public IP address), and the router has been configured so that inbound connections to port 80 on that WAN interface are translated to a destination address of 192.168.1.20 (on the inside network). This enables a web server running on the 192.168.1.20 machine to respond to web requests from the Internet, provided those web requests are coming in to 99.99.99.99.
If another computer on the internal network, such as 192.168.1.101, can pull up the web site using http://99.99.99.99 (instead of the direct connection of http://192.168.1.20 ) then the router implements NAT loopback.
Now, knowing that, let's review:
If you use your own router, and it is the device doing the network address translation (NAT), that means it's outside address is x.x.x.x (a publically routable IP address), and it's inside addresses are private, in RFC 1918 address space. This can be set up with the U-Verse modems using DMZPlus (2Wire/Pace 3xxx series gateways) or IP Passthrough (Motorola NVG5xx series gateways).
NAT loopback in this situation is completely dependent on the functionality of your own router. By definition, any NAT loopback request under this circumstance never leaves your network and your router, and thus never touches the U-Verse gateway at all.
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I have the exact same problem and have tried contacting Belkin with this problem but making them understand I was using an iMac was difficult enough!
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I tried to activate remote DVR but received the error:
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Remote DVR service works only with the Verizon supplied routers and with no changes to the original setup. Since you are using your own router and/or firewall setup we cannot enable Remote DVR on your account."
I am using Verizon supplied D-Link DI-624 router, have all original settings, but do MAC filtering (as suggested by VZ!)
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hoon wrote:
I tried to activate remote DVR but received the error:
"Remote DVR is not supported on non-Verizon routers.
Remote DVR service works only with the Verizon supplied routers and with no changes to the original setup. Since you are using your own router and/or firewall setup we cannot enable Remote DVR on your account."
I am using Verizon supplied D-Link DI-624 router, have all original settings, but do MAC filtering (as suggested by VZ!)
How can I activate the feature?
Well I just went through the same trouble, but was using the first revision of Actiontec router. If you have TV service and use the old D-Link you must have a Motorola NIM-100 for your set top boxes to get all the IP features. When my TV was installed they swaped out the DI-624 for the Actiontec to supply the COAX on router. The D-Link will not work because the firmware does not support the remote access features. Contact tech support and they should send you a new router at no cost. They may want you to send back the old DI-624, or get charged $99. I just sent my old router back with their supplied UPS shipping label. When my Actiontec was installed with the TV the tech said forget that old router and left it with me. "Verizon does not use them anymore".
If you have a NIM-100 and install the Actiontec or Westell router, you will need to remove the NIM-100. Once you get the new router installed, you more then likely will need to have them remove and re add your DVR to get the features enabled. Once my DVR configuration was rejected because of router issue, they had to do that to get the process of activation started again.
Message Edited by prisaz on 05-02-2009 07:28 AM

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