Ti4800SE-VTD8X & WDM video capture problem...

sheeesh... I did everything I know to solve the problem... I read every thread on this help forum having the word "WDM" using the search engine and also on other webpages and forums. I can see that I am not the only one having problem with the WDM drivers
Can anyone help me with this ?( :
The WDM driver fails to load and make my system boot up time to around 45 seconds to 1 minute which is normally booting in less than 18 seconds without the WDM driver installed. In the "Device Manager", I see a nice lil " ! " on the "nVidia WDM Video Capture (Universal)" codec.
Here is what I did to date :
1) I had an MSI Ti4200-VTD8X on a different setup computer and had the same problem. I changed my 250 power supply to a 350 watts as I read it might solve some problem but it did not.
2) I exchanged the Ti4200 for a brand new MSI GeForce4 Ti4800SE-VTD8X (MS-8900) and STILL have the same problem
3) I completely change my "old" P4 1.8 to a brand new setup (see at bottom) AND STILL have the same problem.
4) Why did I buy an nVidia product instead of ATI ? dunno...
5) I have tried to uninstall, reinstall, uninstall, reinstall, uninstall, reinstall... huh ? ?( oh yeah, the nVidia WDM drivers 1.21 and 1.22 still doesn't work. I even tried old WDM drivers as some said solved their problem. Installed 1.04, still the same problem.
6) I have tried the WDM from MSI (was happy to see a newer version 1.27) and disaster 8o computer crash with a nice blue screen and reset itself as soon XP loads this famous WDM driver during boot sequence. Had to start in safe mode using the last known working version... At least, that worked...
7) The only way I can make this crappy driver to works (and that is at 50%) is this way
a) in the device manage, I right clic the faulty codec (that XP kindly took the time to open for me to show me that this is not working...) and go to "update the driver"
b) then I click "install from a specified location"
c) then I click "do not search, I will chose the driver to install"
d) then I can see "nVidia WDM Video Capture (Universal)" in the list so I click on it
e) click "next" button
f) XP reinstall the driver withtout the " ! " once I go back in the "Device Manager".
The only thing with that is that it is unstable. Sometimes it might work for 1 hour, sometimes 10 minutes. What it does is it completely crash the application which is using the WDM, for instance InterVideo WinProducer. And here is the kind and gentle warning message box from XP saying : "InterVideo WinProducer has to shut down. We are sorry blah blah blah blah..." and of course you lose any recordings you were capturing or working on...
If I reboot the system, the codec is once again not loaded properly.
So, can some one help me with this ???
Thank you ! :D

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Originally posted by TheDanishGuy
Hey Alesis
TvTool is a program/tool that help you, with TV-out on you GeForce 4.
For more information on TvTool look at this webpage.
http://tvtool.info/index_e.htm
Try and download demo version, and see if you have use for it. I would like to use it, when I want, to watch DVD on my TV.
So now we need MSI or nVidia to make a WDM driver that works with nVidia VGA 44.03 driver.
Thanks man !
I have tried the TV Tool and quite frankly, I don't really like it... For the moment that is... It messed up a little the video settings like resolution and refresh rate. I have had numerous errors also saying to update to the latest version but you already told me about that.
I have noticed something with 41.07 driver that I lost a nice feature that might interest you ! In fact, with this feature, I think you would not need the TV Tool.
I had the option before to maxize the TV out to full screen when the DVD player started or when I watched any video format.
I can have the Windows Media Player (using nVidia nDVD for DVD) running minimized on my main VGA monitor and get the S-Video out run full screen which was really nice. Sadly, this option looks to be nowhere to find with the Detonator 41.07 version. :(
I don't know if there will be a serious revision about the newest Detonator drivers so it can support our card with full features like the full screen one...
When you fix a problem, there is a new one that come out :O
If you get any hint on how to complaint at MSI or nVidia, it would be great to let them know that something has changed since the v.41.07 that makes a lot of nVidia users having problems with the WDM issue.
Thanks again, at least, I can capture some video ! But not able to watch it full screen anymore on the TV out
Let's keep in touch !
See ya !

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