Time Machine: Backup folder changing size when connected to different computers

Can someone please help me wrap my head around why the size of my Time Machine backup folder changes when connected to different computers? I tried to be as thorough as possible. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this.
I made a backup of my one laptop (MacBook Pro running 10.6.8) before installing Mavericks. The backup folder size is 258.56 GB and it is on a 1TB WD external. There are no other computers backed up in this folder.
Last night, I tried to copy the backup folder to another 1TB WD external and ran into the “you can’t do that” message. After some researching, I came across articles explaining how Time Machine handles HDs and, in order for me to copy my backup folder, the drive I want to copy the folder to needs to have the “Ignore ownership on this volume” deselected.
Okay, so here is my situation: I have the “Ignore ownership on this volume” deselected and journaling is correct on the drive I want to copy the backup folder to. So I can continue working on my laptop, I want to use a different computer to copy the backup folder from one HD to the other. The problem I’m having is each computer I own is showing me a different backup folder size O.o.
(1) The computer I want to use – a Power Mac G5 Quad running 10.4.11 (non intel) – is showing a backup folder size of 592.7 MB, but the HD shows there is 258 GB being used. When I drag copy, I only get a 592.7 MB backup folder. For some reason, the backup folder is the only folder acting this way. I compared other folders from the same and different externals and all the sizes match up perfectly no matter the computer they were connected to. How is this possible?
(2) My second option - Mac Pro (early 2009) running 10.9.4 – is showing a 256.15 GB backup folder size. Very close, but not 258.56 GB.
(3) My last option is to use the computer I’m trying to stay away from, the MacBook Pro running 10.6.8. This is the computer I backed up and is showing me the correct folder size = 258.56GB. As I mentioned, I'd like to work on my laptop while copying the backup folder using one of my other computers.
I am able to drag and drop from each computer, but the folder size depends on the computer I’m using. I don’t understand why I can't do a simple drag and drop of a 258 GB folder.
Many thanks!!

The directory files that you are seeing are not real. They are links to the actual backup files that are stored in a hidden directory on the drive. If you were to look at the same drive on a pc, you would see the folders and you would a list files that are in the folders but the files would all be 0 byte files and Windows will tell you the file is empty because there is nothing there but a link which Windows does not understand.
So the point is you can't just copy the backupd files. The best solution that I know of (and maybe someone else will chime in) for copying them is to mirror the drive with something like Carbon Copy or some other program.
See this site for more information about time machine and how it works: http://pondini.org/OSX/Home.html

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--BEGIN (for me, the script runs in a fraction of a second)
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Hello osimp,
To distinguish two volumes with same name in plain AppleScript (without denpending upon particular applications such as 'Finder' or 'System Events'), I think you can use either POSIX file object or alias object.
if I'm not mistaken, POSIX file object has typeFileURL data, which contains mount point information. And alias object contains fertile information to track file system object dynamically not only by its path. (In order to create new alias objects for volumes with the same name, however, you'd have to distinguish them by other means, such as by using POSIX file object.)
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set MinInt_ to item 1 of IntList
repeat with i_ from 2 to CI_
set NextInt_ to item i_ of IntList
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end repeat
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repeat with q_ from 1 to CI_
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exit repeat
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end repeat
if CI_ = 0 then
set VtrueList_par to "NONE!"
else
try
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {return}
set VtrueList_par to VtrueList as Unicode text
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
on error errs number errn
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {""}
error errs number errn
end try
end if
return {CN_, minVol, VtrueList, VtrueList_par} -- # for test
(* Rest omitted *)
--END OF SCRIPT
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H

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