Trying to speed things up...

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I have a Macbook pro which was bought around Nov 2009 (Processor 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Memory  4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3).
I have recenlty upgraded to Lion.
I am working as a professional photographer and I spend a long time editing photos in Aperture 3 which I recently ugraded from Aperture 2.
I am having real issues with Aperture 3's speed. It works ok for about 10 minutes and then every change that I try to make causes the dreaded wheel to whirl and I have to wait for 20-30 seconds before it becomes operational again. Obviously I cannot work like this or editing will take me twice as long.
I know that Aperture has always been a 'hungry' programme that takes up a lot of the computer's capability and so I always try to shut down all other programmes whilst using Aperture.
In terms of Aperture Libraries I am working with two:
1) an archive and is kept on an external hard drive
2) The 'Live Library' which contains only the images I am currently working on - this is on the computer's hard drive but contacin only about 500-1000 images at any one time.
So, my questions are:
- how can I speed things up?
- should I be looking to upgrade my computer and if so what to? (iMac? Mac Pro?) (will a desktop make life easier?)
Your help would be really appreciated.
Thanks.

Tom,
Your first problem is not enough RAM to run Lion and Aperture. Lion needs more RAM than Snow Leopard.
I would upgrade to 8GB from your current 4GB, you should see immediate improvements in speed.
I agree SSD is the way to go for your startup drive. The cost per GB, however, may limit your storage options.
If you don't use the optical drive, you can install the SSD in the optical bay, using an optibay enclosure or datadoubler.
The HD stays in the hard drive bay and is used for your data files.
Go to OWC and look over their upgrade options for your model MBP. Watch the install videos and see if you are up for doing the install yourself.

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