Undo and redo optimal sizes

Hi,
I need to find an optimal size of a undo tablespace and redo log files... we are designing a new database as per the formulas that are given in many websites is "UndoSpace = [UR * (UPS * DBS)] + (DBS * 24)" .... but we still didn't build the database and not sure of those values... so how to design in that cases...
Please help us at earliest..
Regards,
Ramu

Ramu Jagini wrote:
Hi,
I need to find an optimal size of a undo tablespace and redo log files... we are designing a new database as per the formulas that are given in many websites is "UndoSpace = [UR * (UPS * DBS)] + (DBS * 24)" .... but we still didn't build the database and not sure of those values... so how to design in that cases...
Please help us at earliest..
Regards,
RamuYou can only find it by empirical testing unless you know those values, which you can only find by empirical testing. The variance from certain feature usage alone can be orders of magnitude, and besides that programming style has a huge influence, as does actual user load. Beyond that, rare operations like massive loads and end of cycle processing may have much different needs. Tom Kyte makes a good case for saying you should leave large undo around for those cases, "wasted" disk is much cheaper than dealing with the lack of undo at critical times. Since you can tune redo log switching with timeouts, you might as well have redo sized for the rare cases too. You have to load the test data anyways, so that's a good first cut.
Once you have a reasonable test going you can get advice from the db. Requirements can change over time, too.

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Shiv wrote:
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Deepa,
I shall be short in my reply as I shall be leaving in a while now. So in very short,
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From where did you read 1/4th of buffer cache?Please can you rephrase the questionbefore I try to answer it?
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Current log# 5 seq# 1783 mem# 0: /oradata/lipi/redo5.log
Current log# 5 seq# 1783 mem# 1: /oradata/lipi/redo05a.log Wed Mar 10 15:25:00 2010 Thread 1 cannot allocate new log, sequence 1784 Checkpoint not complete
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Respected Sir,
So many things are going to popular without evidence, experts comments and even cross marking by docs. I would like to suggest to add one more chapter in next oracle release docs something like:
"Myths in Oracle" and i hope following should be there:
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Sir, since i am regular reader of your site, blog and book; if you please spare some time on above or more myths in oracle; i hope it will help the whole oracle dba community who is something like in a very big and dark hall with lot of doors and windows (as i am).
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Edited by: Girish Sharma on Mar 11, 2010 6:27 PM
And i got the useful link of your site please too:
http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/myths.html

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I have seen the similar implementation as above at many sites.
Kindly provide a mechanism where I can trace which user is generated how much redo (or archive log) on a session basis. I want to track which all user/process are causing high redo to generate.
If I didnt find a solution I would raise a SR with Oracle.
Thanks
[V]

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and b.name like '%redo%'
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