Usage of Abstract Message Interface for non-BPM

Hi,
I have a message that I am using as both as an inbound and an outbound for 2 different mapping. I am not using BPM. Is it better to create 2 message interfacesone for outbound and one for inboundor should I just create 1 abstract message interface that can be used in both mappings? What are the advantages and disadvantages of using 2 message interfaces (1 inbound and 1 outbound) against 1 abstract message interface? Would using abstract cause a lot of problems or performance problems in the future?
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Elbert

hi,
abstract messages are only used for BPMs
so I suggest creating 2 instead if you don's use a BPM
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/e3/3355d5617d0a4cb0fe8e042c752caa/content.htm
Regards,
michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions">XI / PI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</a>

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do we need to create message interfaces for idocs and rfcs thatare imported
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hi,
you create an abstract message interface for IDOC only if you want to use
them in a BPM (integration process)
for more about IDOCs have a look at my book:
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Dear Friends,
This is IDOC---SOAP Sync Communication Interface
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hi stephen,
never worked on this but out ofcuriosity after seeing ur question i tried to create one:
but i found these:
fault message types will only be used in case of synchronous messages.....if it is asynchronous the fault message type radio button it self will not seen while creating message interface..just check.
you need to create a Fault message type to use it in an interface...u can add your own fields also if u want.
in your present case you mentioned you are using synchronous RFC...try creating a synchronous abstract interface there you can give fault message type also...just check by creating one...
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Hello,
I wonder when to use abstract message interfaces?
The documentations says:
An abstract message interface has no implementation in an application system. You cannot generate a proxy for this interface type. You use abstract interfaces in business processes, for example, to receive or send messages from application systems. You can use the same abstract interface to receive or to send.
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Hi Mario,
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send step, receive step, transformations etc
(no other use)
- you cannot create proxies from it
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to send data to XI or to receive data
(so once you create everything inside your integration process - with the use of abstract interfaces)
inside ID you still have to use standard interfaces
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Regards,
michal
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Bhavesh
1. You receiver a file in your BPM . This has a field called SYSTEM ID?
2. On the basis of the System ID field you need to determine the Receiver to which the Synchronous Request message has to be sent?
Sorry for that...because I was confused with jai's ans.. that's why said like that
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in BLOCK
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> Hi,
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>
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>
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let me describe the scenario,
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Let us discuss point by point.
You are doing a scenario SOAP to XI with no end point on the other side. Means you are using XI as the end point for simulating. This is my assumption.
Step1. SOAP client sends a SOAP request to the BPM in XI, using a synchronous receive step (Abstract synchronous MI),
Ok.
Step 2. in BPM, it does some transformation
Ok
Step 3. the response of the step 2, is then sent as the response for the SOAP client request, using a Synchronous send (sync async bridge maintained),
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Cheers
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hope it answers your qn.
Regards
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