Which version of ZEN comes with Open Workgroup Suite?

As stated elsewhere in these forums, unlike the SBS edition, the open workgroup suite comes with full versions of OES 2, Groupwise and ZEN. Following download link from OWS page takes me to a download of ZEN 7, but looks like Novell is up to version 10. So, which version do I get if I purchase OWS 2?
Thanx

Originally Posted by zdzisekg
As stated elsewhere in these forums, unlike the SBS edition, the open workgroup suite comes with full versions of OES 2, Groupwise and ZEN. Following download link from OWS page takes me to a download of ZEN 7, but looks like Novell is up to version 10. So, which version do I get if I purchase OWS 2?
Thanx
correction. first line should read: As stated elsewhere in these forums, unlike the SBS edition, the open workgroup suite comes with latest versions of individual products of OES 2, Groupwise and ZEN.

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>I was once a very loyal SBS guy -- Gold partner, etc. I'd still love to be
> one, but I remain a sadly skeptical ex-partner. I still make my living w/
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>
> Herb points out many of the fact involved here. Let me emphasize a few:
>
> 1. No ZEN in this products. ZEN alone is a reason to keep Novell. I
> think
> that ZfD adds another $50 per user. There is supposed to be something in
> this that handles dynamic local user, which is my first concern. There is
> also no BorderManager, but most of the SBS people understand that the
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>
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> to buy support (below).
>
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> most of it , which begs the question. If you want a 5-user freebie, then
> I'd suggest going that route, or M$ SBS if we're talking about a
> non-profit (TechSoup.org).
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> about 18 months ago. Novell admits that the target market for this
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> would take care of the 1- and 2-person shops which usually provided
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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