White balance in painting tools

Hi.
I just tried painting mask tools. They really are great!
There was one thing that bugged me. Color temperature setting is not in kelvins even if I'm processing RAW photos. It would be more intuitive to paint with same values that are used in basic settings.
What do you thing?

As an architectural photographer Tero's reply make sense to me.  When I have done interiors in the past with Hot lights, Strobes, etc I used spot meters, flash meters, Color checkers & color temperature meters plus a bag full of cc filters to balance the varied light sources. Now with digital I still use a color temperature meter & color charts. Most of my color correction is done with compositing, which works very well. However the concept of being able to "paint in" a temperature correction is very attractive plus a great time saver. I know that while with complex interiors I will still have to do the "full meal deal" the concept of "touching up" is appealing. While many people "know" what color they painted its been my experience that most have a poor color memory. Consequently knowing what color temperature is where in a space is, in my opinion, crucial. With the variety of light sources now available ( 40+ flourescents alone ) we need all the help we can get. 
Bob   

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