Why CMYK Color Profiles Warning?

Hi guys,
I just made a couple of CMYK shades of grey. Here is a sample:
http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1fo01uualiQLkc4uuLbXfnAoWsiVw
When i export the PDF to High Quality Printing, i get Warning Icon with the message "The preset specifies source profiles that don’t match the current color settings file. Profiles specified by the current color setting will be used" Why do i get that message? i am not using or importing any Photoshop Image with a different color profile...i just created my CMYK color inside my document.
I am sending this PDF to a Laser Color CMYK Printer (not my own home laser printer) something like a Kinkos Store. Could that be a problem for color settings to a this kind of printers? By the way, these are my color profiles.
http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1EEuCxcbSjWaY2cNQj8dBAFedNlly0
is in Spanish but i think i quite clear.
Thanks for any info on that!
Cheers,
S

I'm here because I was researching the same error. I've gotten it for years, and usually worked around it but finally got around to trying to get to the bottom of it. One thing I just noticed is that I had a file where I received this warning, and then went to Edit > Convert to profile in ID. I noticed that the Source of the file was NOT the working space set in my color settings (different computer from where I created it). I converted the file to the working space profile, and went back to Export to PDF again, and DID NOT get the warning.
My concern would be what ID does if you ignore the warning. If my profile was different from teh working profile and I go ahead and covert anyway, will ID ASSIGN the working profile to my file, or CONVERT my images to the working profile specified in the color settings file. Which it chooses will likely have an inpact on my color. I might try to test this by creating an image in a wierd source profile that will look quite different if the numbers are just ASSIGNED a new profile and Export to PDF and see what happens. I think that might tell me what ID is doing.
I really would like to understand this for certain.

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