WLC 5508 Evaluation License Expiry

Hi,
I have a customer who wants to do some WLC migration works. They have a spare 5508 (50 License) that they want to use to house their 100+ APs during the migration works as they are temporarily decommissioning the active 5508s. They have asked me whether they can get an extension to the evaluation license (I suggested the eval license may be the best option to get through this with minimal hassle) as they feel 60 days might not be long enough!
Thinking about it I read this in the WLC config guide regarding eval licenses:
"To prevent disruptions in operation, the controller does not switch licenses when an evaluation license expires. You must reboot the controller in order to return to a permanent license. Following a reboot, the controller defaults to the same feature set level as the expired evaluation license. If no permanent license at the same feature set level is installed, the controller uses a permanent license at another level or an unexpired evaluation license."
This suggests that the license will just continue to be active until a reboot? Is that correct, has anybody seen this in action. I have seen this sort of thing before with IOS-XE code where a feature is enabled as evaluation, and once it expires it doesn't stop the feature working, just sends loads of snmp traps complaining about not having the correct license level. 
I would be interested if anyone knows what really happens once the eval expires and if the eval license count will remain active until WLC reboot.
Thanks
Rocky

Hi,
I have found another option for this unorthodox scenario. I just as an idea went to see if I could get a demo license for a 5508 I have in our lab (which currently has default eval license on it) from Cisco's license portal. Surprisingly it issued me a eval license, I installed it successfully onto the 5508! I now have 2x eval licenses, so in theory this will work for my customer as he can use this again for another 60 days! 
I then thought I'd try again and see how far I can push it :) I then got a message saying:
We are unable to provide you with a license at this time.
You cannot obtain multiple trial licenses for the same UDI.
Ok, that makes sense, but I was able to add another eval on-top of the factory sent one.
What I will do is invoke it and see how it goes, and also I will then get to see what happens after 60 days.
Thoughts welcome.
Rocky 

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    Not upgrading to 7.4.121.0 because of bug CSCuo63103. Have not restarted the controller yet.
    Any one else had this issue ? Is there a workaround ?
    Thanks,
    Rick.

    Thanks Stephen, In my deployments of 7.4.110.0 version I have not seen this issue so may be controller reboot will fix it (we do have HA to minimize the impact). I will keep the thread updated with findings and may request TAC for the special release 7.4.121.0 if the still not happy with 7.4.110.0
    Rick.

  • WLC 5508 7.4.X - N+1

    Hi,
    I don't undestand this document
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    What they're describing is HA N+1, not HA 1:1 AP SSO.  This option, which is "NON-AP-SSO", allows you to use an HA-SKU or > -50-k9 SKU coverted, to operate as a dedicated +1 WLC in HA.  When using this configuration, this WLC allows the use of the "hardware maximum" of the device: Thus 500 APs for WLC 5508, or 1000APs for a WISM2 (as an example).  Since this WLC can wait as a backup to multiple WLCs, that's why it's not capable of the AP SSO, which requires a 1:1 pairing of the HA WLC with an Active HA WLC.
    When using the HA N+1 the WLC acts the same as the pre AP-SSO "HA" concept; where you had Primary, Secondary Tertiary configs on your APs (which you may still have).  All it is saying is that the N+1 HA WLC can act as one of these Secondary/Tertiary WLCs, much like a WLC you had licenesed for 250 or 500 APs could do previously.
    In the past you would use, lets say a 250 WLC AP as this backup WLC.  Many people were frustrated that they had to have a $60,000 WLC just sitting there "waiting for something to fail".  But that's what it did.  If a WLC failed, lets say one with 100 APs, this backup WLC would take on the APs and use 100 of it's 250 AP license count.  If additional WLCs failed, the process continued until this backup WLC was filled.
    The idea of using the HA-SKU in an N+1 is that while yes, you don't get the 1:1 AP SSO configuration, you are getting more bang for your buck in that this WLC can sit as a backup (as it did in the past) but it can accept up to the maximum it's hardware can handle in terms of AP count, not only what it was permanently licensed for.  Rather than spending $100,00 on a 500 AP count WLC to backup your 2x250 AP count WLCs, why not look at a $50,000 HA-SKU that can "handle" up to 500 APs.
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    As far as the HA-SKU "licenese", it's not "permanent" per se.  With an HA SKU in N+1 you have a 90 day timer which will then "nag you" (via console) that this HA WLC is not truly intended to permanently house these APs.  The idea is that if the Primary WLC failed, you would get it back online and then move your APs back to where they belong and return the HA N+1 WLC back to 0 APs.

  • WLC 5508 HA Problem Soft.ver 7.4.100

    Dear Support,
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    *RRM-DCLNT-2_4: May 23 07:43:53.164: #RRM-3-RRM_LOGMSG: rrmTables.c:682 RRM LOG:  Could not retrieve  RRM Coverage Measurement DataKey BSSID:34:db:fd:dd:3e:20,Key SlotId:0
    *RRM-DCLNT-2_4: May 23 07:43:52.854: #RRM-3-RRM_LOGMSG: rrmTables.c:682 RRM LOG:  Could not retrieve  RRM Coverage Measurement DataKey BSSID:2c:36:f8:72:fc:c0,Key SlotId:0
    I also send a complete log for both problem above and enclose it with pdf file. need you advice and assistance,
    regard, afriansyah

    I agree go to version 7.4.121.0 I has some strange issues on prior releases. Personally I am running 7.6.120.0 right now but that's mainly due to support for the 3702 access points.
    http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/controller/technotes/7-5/High_Availability_DG.html#pgfId-74573
    that's a good guide just to double check yourself just in case. -

  • Upgrade WLC 5508 Ver. 7.0.98.0 to Ver 7.6.110.0

    i will upgrade WLC 5508 Ver 7.0.98.0 with License 50 AP. to Ver 7.6.110.0 will it ask to install license ?

    No, It will not ask for again.
    Just upgrade the software.
    Regards
    Dont forget to rate helpful posts

  • WLC 5508 in HA pair (7.4.121.0) sudden reload

    I have a pair of WLC 5508 in HA pair running version 7.4.121.0, last week I have two sudden reload on my active WLC. Here's the error from my syslog server on the first sudden reload. The second reload has almost the same logs.
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    Hi,
    I exeprienced a reload problem in standby WLC, with HA in release 7.6.100.0.
    I use a dedicated VLAN to transport the redundancy sync and info, 'cause the two WLCs are in different buildings.
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                    Local State = STANDBY HOT
                     Peer State = ACTIVE
                           Unit = Secondary - HA SKU (Inherited AP License Count = 500)
                        Unit ID = 00:06:F6:DB:E3:E0
               Redundancy State = SSO (Both AP and Client SSO)
                   Mobility MAC = 58:8D:09:CD:81:C0
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    Average Management Gateway Reachability Latency = 0 usecs
    Redundancy Management IP Address................. 40.231.36.6
    Peer Redundancy Management IP Address............ 40.231.36.5
    Redundancy Port IP Address....................... 169.254.36.6
    Peer Redundancy Port IP Address.................. 169.254.36.5
    Rebooting as default GW is not reachable from Standby Controller
    Restarting system. Reason: Default Gateway is not reachable ..
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                        Unit ID = 00:06:F6:DB:E3:E0
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                   Mobility MAC = 58:8D:09:CD:81:C0
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    Average Management Gateway Reachability Latency = 0 usecs
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    Peer Redundancy Management IP Address............ 40.231.36.5
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    Peer Redundancy Port IP Address.................. 169.254.36.5
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  • WLC 5508 LOAD BALANCING APs to HA-SSO

    Do somebody knows what´s going to happen about configuration when you migrate 2-WLC 5508 giving wireless services correctly, using load balancing with the APs to HA-SSO mode???
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    When you covert the pair into SSO, all the APs will go to the ACTIVE unit.  No unit will "live" in the standby unit because this unit will "share" the AP-support license between the two.
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  • WLC 5508 rebooted but still showing high uptime

    Hi all,
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    So last night I rebooted the primary after installing the new adder license. Once it came back up, I checked the license count and it had increased as per the new license. After that I rebooted the mobility controller, and waited to ensure that this came back up.
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    Anyone seen this behaviour before? The WLC DID reboot - I watched it go down and POST again. Why would the uptime counter not reset?
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    Product Name..................................... Cisco Controller
    Product Version.................................. 7.2.111.3
    Bootloader Version............................... 1.0.1
    Field Recovery Image Version..................... 6.0.182.0
    Firmware Version................................. FPGA 1.3, Env 1.6, USB console 1.27
    Build Type....................................... DATA + WPS
    System Name...................................... UK***********
    System Location.................................. Slough CoLo
    System Contact................................... Greg Dent
    System ObjectID.................................. 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.1.1069
    IP Address....................................... 172.17.1.40
    Last Reset....................................... Software reset
    System Up Time................................... 0 days 3 hrs 42 mins 23 secs
    System Timezone Location.........................
    Configured Country............................... Multiple Countries:GB,RU,US
    Operating Environment............................ Commercial (0 to 40 C)
    Internal Temp Alarm Limits....................... 0 to 65 C
    Internal Temperature............................. +44 C
    External Temperature............................. +26 C
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    Fan Status....................................... OK
    State of 802.11b Network......................... Enabled
    State of 802.11a Network......................... Enabled
    Number of WLANs.................................. 7
    Number of Active Clients......................... 794
    Burned-in MAC Address............................ **************
    Power Supply 1................................... Present, OK
    Power Supply 2................................... Present, OK
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  • WLC 5508 AP-Manager interface

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    Hello,
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    This link is anchored to the mgmt, ap-manager, and dynamic interface creation for the 7.0.116.0 Config Guide: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/controller/7.0MR1/configuration/guide/cg_ports_interfaces.html#wp1286790
    "If" you want to keep an individual port configuration, and need more than 60 APs connected, you will need to create more than one "ap-manager" interface.  You will just make a new dyanamic intreface and place it on the same network as the current ap manager (ie, management interface) and mark it for dynamic ap management.  All APs will still need to only see the management interface for joining; the WLC will assign to the appropriate AP manager as needed.  The WLC will fill up the first AP manager before joining building tunnels through the next AP-manager interface, so in your lab you will not really be able to test this behavior, assuming the 3-4 APs you were using.
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