Working with greyscale images in InDesign

I am designing a photobook in InDesign with several B&W images in it. InDesign in currently in PhoPhoto RGB working space. I am having the book printed by LuLu, and they require that any monochrome images in the PDF be in greyscale with a gamma between 2.2 and 2.4.
So I opened all the image files in Photoshop and converted them to "grey gamma 2.2", and then saved as JPGs and made sure to check the "embed grey gamma 2.2 profile" box.
However, when I place those images in InDesign, they look completely different! I went to "Color Settings" and then saw that InDesign doesn't have a greyscale working space. Now I understand why they look so different, but my question is - when I export the PDF from InDesign, will the images look like they did in Photoshop or will they have the "washed out" appearance they have in InDesign?
What's the best way to do this?

>I just want to make sure I'm getting all of this. I did also notice that LuLu recommends not converting from RGB to CMYK or vice versa. Since I shoot all of my images RAW and import them into Lightroom, which is in ProPhoto RGB, then I guess that means all of my color images should be exported from Photoshop in ProPhoto RGB and my working profile in ID should also be ProPhoto RGB. Since the working space and profiles are the same in each application, the images should look the same in both. Correct?
That's right, but again if you want to see the a preview of ProPhotoRGB converted to CMYK, you'll need to set your Proof Setup to a CMYK space. In Photoshop I edit color in RGB with Proof Colors turned on and the Proof Setup set to the destination CMYK space.
>You were suggesting converting them to CMYK in Photoshop
No! I was suggesting that you use a CMYK profile as your grayscale profile, which Photoshop allows. So, instead of Edit>Convert to Profile>Greyscale Gamma 2.2; you could set your Gray Working space to US Sheetfed via Color Settings>More Options>Gray>Load..., and then simply convert the RGB image to Grayscale via Mode>Grayscale. In this case your grayscale is profiled as if it were on the black plate of a CMYK file, so if you also use US Sheetfed in ID you'll get a similar preview.
Using a CMYK profile for grayscale in PS is a nice trick, but it isn't going to make or break the jobthere will always be variation depending on how much ink density the press operator is running. If this is the first job you are sending Lulu I would follow their instructions and use 2.2 as the grayscale space, then if there's an issue you can honestly say you followed their instructions.

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