Would these two refurbished MBP still be worth getting?

I'm thinking about getting one of these MBPs because I want a 15in screen, and the dedicated graphics cards, but don't want to spend almost $2,000 for the lower base 15in models with Iris Pro Graphics. However, considering the hardware, would these two still be good options to last another 4 years or so, when considering future software and OS developments?
Refurbished 15.4-inch MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-core Intel i7 with Retina Display
Originally released June 2012
15.4-inch (diagonal) Retina display; 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch
8GB of 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256GB Flash Storage
720p FaceTime HD Camera
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory
$1,599.00
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Refurbished 15.4-inch MacBook Pro 2.4GHz Quad-core Intel i7 with Retina Display
Originally released February 2013
15.4-inch (diagonal) Retina display; 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch
8GB of 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256GB Flash Storage
720p FaceTime HD Camera
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory
$1,659.00
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In my opinion they are both good machines. I would go the extra $60 for the 2013 just because it is slightly newer and very slightly faster.
Since they are both Retinas, neither is upgradable so looking at the specs, both are good to go...8 GB ram is important, both are kind of skimpy on storage at 256 GB, but you can add an external drive to gain mass storage and use the internal primarily for Mac OS X and the applications themselves...data on the external. Everything else is the same.
Apple reforms have new batteries, cases, anything faulty replaced, and fully tested. So like buying a new computer.

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William,
A few people had chimed in great advise, but I like to add my own. Perhaps you will find this useful.
The speed of the hard drive these days are hardly measured by the spindle numbers anymore. 7200 or even 5400 means really nothing other when it was made. That's the same as saying that my old 2.4Ghz Macbook is going to be slightly slower than a new 2.4Ghz Macbook or Macbook Pro. So just looking at the spindle rate is one thing. You need to look at drive generation, link speed, cache size, platter size and platter amount. For example, today's Seagate 7200 RPM drive is at 7200.12 and last year was 7200.11 (a disaster year for them as the drives would click themselves to death!)
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Apple Guide to Universal Applications
MacInTouch List of Compatible Universal Binaries
MacInTouch List of Rosetta Compatible Applications
MacUpdate List of Intel-Compatible Software
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