Zipper007: Mac Pro 2010 question

zipper007
*Mac Pro 2010 question*
I'm interested in Quad Core 2.8 model.
I cant find the details I want on it right now.
If in the future I decide to upgrade (couple of years)
If the parts are available, yes. But not a supported option.
You are on your own.
I use the daughter card and (2) processors from an 8 Core in my machine. Pull mine and add the upgrade?
You can't change from single to dual though.
My personal feeling is it may not make as much sense cost-wise or performance, and buy what you need. Or build PC of course.
http://www.apple.com/macpro/design.html
http://macperformanceguide.com/Reviews-MacProWestmere-Estimates.html
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html

I know it can be done and has been... but I still think
A) you bought something less than retail that slanted the real cost
B) no warranty
C) due to other changes might not be worth it
Guy posted on Accelerateyourmac how they (and others, but not a lot really) upped 5100 to 5355 (taken from his HP server). Or that one person is having fan and temp problems.
If you want, go for it with the risks, or build a PC for goodness sake. But you have to do your own leg work, stepping, firmware, and Apple will never issue firmware updates for say 2008 to support anything new; or 2009. That is their business model, it isn't my model, and what I do is my business. I just can't see running OS X anymore.

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Thanks Todd!
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I make the backup system from a *.dmg file. I tried with time machine, with disk utilities and with Carbon Copy Cloner. The result is always the same. Premiere won't start.
I think I have small ghosts inside my computer =)
Maybe is question of a bad clone but this is not a complicated task.
Maybe is question of permits. But I resolve the permits question with disk utilities.
Do you think is question of the clone image?
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read any info on the net about it (AppleInsider, MacRumours etc...) I've just made a search on Yahoo
and Google and it says that it affects the 5770 too and what I could read it's PC related here's the
clip:
"+*AMD has confirmed that a previously reported issue of grey lines or screens with certain Radeon HD 5000 GPUs affects both the 5700 and 5800 series.*+
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