10.4.11 on 8 Core 2.8GHz Mac Pro?
Hi,
Does anyone know if I can install 10.4.11 on an 8 Core machine. It's a newer MA970LL/A. I am using Pro Tools and some of my 3rd party instruments will not run on 10.5 yet.
Thanks!
Any Intel Mac older than October 26, 2007 can have Tiger installed on it from its original installation discs only. Retail version of Tiger, or Tiger that shipped with another Mac will not work on them. Updates are listed on my FAQ*:
http://www.macmaps.com/jaguarleopard.html
Any Firewire DVD-ROM drive PowerPC Mac older than April 3, 2006 can have Tiger installed on it from the 10.4.6 retail installation discs.
Any Firewire DVD-ROM drive PowerPC Mac older than April 26, 2005 can have any retail version of Tiger installed on them.
The retail installer discs look like *
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Process: Adobe InDesign CS6 [282]
Path: /Applications/Adobe InDesign CS6/Adobe InDesign CS6.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe InDesign CS6
Identifier: com.adobe.InDesign
Version: 8.0.0.370 (8000)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [148]
Date/Time: 2012-08-31 08:46:25.935 +0100
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.7.4 (11E53)
Report Version: 9
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
VM Regions Near 0:
--> __PAGEZERO 0000000000000000-0000000000001000 [ 4K] ---/--- SM=NUL /Applications/Adobe InDesign CS6/Adobe InDesign CS6.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe InDesign CS6
__TEXT 0000000000001000-0000000000005000 [ 16K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Applications/Adobe InDesign CS6/Adobe InDesign CS6.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe InDesign CS6
Application Specific Information:
objc[282]: garbage collection is OFF
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.adobe.BIB 0x00dd10fe 0xdce000 + 12542
1 com.adobe.BIB 0x00dd1148 0xdce000 + 12616
2 com.adobe.BIB 0x00dd13e3 0xdce000 + 13283
3 com.adobe.BIB 0x00dd1469 0xdce000 + 13417
4 com.adobe.InDesign.PDF 0x1577d820 GetPlugIn + 1222048
5 com.adobe.InDesign.PDF 0x1579b5a6 GetPlugIn + 1344294
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7 libsystem_c.dylib 0x90b767f2 exit + 25
8 com.adobe.InDesign 0x00001d5d start + 61
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1 libdispatch.dylib 0x9286ee10 _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 969
2 libdispatch.dylib 0x9286d85f _dispatch_mgr_thread + 53
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2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x90b876fe start_wqthread + 30
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edi: 0x00ded2e0 esi: 0x00000000 ebp: 0xbffffbb8 esp: 0xbffffb90
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x00dd10fe cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x00000000
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Quard Core cpu for Mac pro is coming soon?
Shall I wait? end of this year?
From what I've read about quad core processors, the more cores the lower the Ghz rating, so when Intel does launch their Quad Core Xeon, I would expect it to run at @ 1.6Ghz or 1.83Ghz per core.
If you look at what Apple did with the PowerMac G5, they were using dual core in each model, except the early single CPU machines. When dual core G5 appeared, they dropped one chip from the PowerMac and introduced the G5 Quad.
It would make sense, cost wise, when a quad core chip is available, to replace the dual chip machines with 1 quad core chip. The top of the range configuration could be a dual chip quad core beast running at 1.6Ghz or 1.83Ghz per core.
The only disadvantage of having more and more cores per chip is the shared level 2 cache and a single front side bus per processor (allowing bottlenecks to occur). Again I have read reports that to enhance multiple core performance, the level 2 cache will have to be upwards of 8MB shared, ideally 16MB shared would allow 4MB per core on a quad core. This would help remove the bottlenecking caused by a one chip bus layout as more data is being processed per core.
Should you wait? That is entirely up to you but the way things are going now, it won't be long until 16 core chips or even 32 core chips, then 64 core chips etc are being announced, forever lowering power consumption (heat) and noise, not to mention lowering Ghz - so much for the Ghz war that went on for years! The lowering of Ghz per core will mean your system is much more memory dependant and so with quad core chips and higher, the memory needs of the system will be increased dramatically.
The basic fact of computing is if you want a faster machine you don't need a faster processor, you need more RAM memory. The more you have the faster your machine will run. When your machine is maxed out on memory and isn't up to the job, then it's time to trade up.
I bought a Mac Pro stock 2.66 knowing full well a quad core would be coming. It's a highly capable machine and so far hasn't seemed to slow down whatever I've thrown at it - data wise that is, of course having 6Gb RAM helps in that department too with much more room to expand (another 10Gb's can go in) when I need to.
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Just Ordered a new 12 core 3.06 Mac Pro
I was wondering If I will be able to use the drives from my early 2008 Mac Pro inside the new one? Drive bay 1 will have an SSD.
They are all 3.5" the sleds are different length, the drives of course are just same old standard size.
The OS on new system will have 10.7.4 at least though so that means no Rosetta of course and all that goes withit.
By default boots 64-bit mode, yours could I am pretty sure (2008) Should notice the difference in very large apps. -
New Mac Pro 3.0GHz v 2.8GHz for Logic
Assuming you put the same amount of RAM etc in a Machine is there going to be much of an advantage if I get a 3.0GHz compared to a 2.8Ghz Mac Pro?
The computer would be the assembly point for Audio from a Farm of 2 Mac minis, Possibly my G5 PPC (mentioned below), & a Muse Receptor (uses ethernet for midi and audio).
I am running VSL Vienna Instruments - Full orchestral package plus other Libraries. The new Mac Pro would run Strings, Pianos + RMX, Chris Hein Guitar etc and would also mix down inputs from the Mac Minis via a MOTU 2804. Altiverb first reflections are on each orchestral group and there is one main bus for the Tail. Core Audio on my G5 dual 2GHz with 4gig of RAM suffers from overload unless I freeze anything I can. I will initially go for 10GIG of RAM (Apple 2 as supplied + 8 from 3rd party) That would leave 2 slots spare.
Message was edited by: dodecaphonicYou won't notice much difference between 3.0 and 2.8, you might be able to measure a bit less than 7% benefit in contrived benchmarks, but all other things being equal, shouldn't notice a difference running Logic.
Unless you're pushing to so hard that you need that extra 7%... but if you are, things aren't likely to be running very happily on either 2.8 or 3.0. -
Mac pro- 8 core clicking noise
Hi guys - just need some advice on something.
I bought a mac pro 8 core -
Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro5,1
Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 2
Exactly a week ago (5th of nov).
Since using it (mainly using it for video editing).. im in a quiet room for some reason its clicking alot.. not sure how to describe the clicking but its like a tap dripping noise.. Im not sure if theres anything wrong with it??
This happens even when im not using the computer, i thought perhaps ill get used to it.. im forcing myself to get used to be it to be honest.. its starting to get very annoying especially when it does it every 10-15 seconds even when im not using any progams!
basically just clicks when its on... i find it very hard to do my video editing and find it very distracting.
So on the 14th nov i brought it to mac genius bar they opened it up and they said "nothing is wrong from what they can see" - they couldnt hear any noise obviosuly because the apple store is a noisy place. They said make sure you put it on a table etc etc all the standard results.
Brought it back home now.. its been exactly a week of use and im starting to hate it.. I dont know what to do its only been a week.. is it possible for me to go back there and since its only been a week ask for a completely new one as im not happy with it?
I know that if i go back to genius bar its just going to keep going on and on so was wondering if asking for a new one since its only been a week old possible?Below are two links which both have examples of hard drive sounds. Does youes sound anthing like one of those sounds? If so which one?
http://www.ecodatarecovery.com/sounds.html
http://www.crashed-hard-drive.com/hard-drive-crash-sounds/clicking-hard-drives.h tm -
Mac Pro 8 core Nehalem RAM upgrade
Hi All,
I own a 8 core 2.26 mac pro. Its Ram configuration is the most basic, 6G.
I am looking to do some upgrade, and would love some pointers to do so. I work mainly with music, and I have been getting out of memory message from Logic Pro so I assume I need more RAM.
The default configuration is 6 X 1G RAM, so that means i have 2 more RAM slots left. As I understand, its best to assigne a RAM to each core for the best performance, so should I:
1. Buy 2 more 1G Ram and put them in the slots and have 8G?
2. But 2 x 2G Ram have a total RAM of 10G, would this work? Would this case any inbalance in RAM, because assuming if I have to assigne a RAM to each CPU, that would mean, 1G for 6 and 2G for remaining 2?
3. Ripe all 6G out and get 2G for 8 slots, meaning a total of 16G?Memory isn't 'assigned' to anything.
I'd rebate to OWC and pick up 6 x 4GB probably.
Mac Pro Memory 1066
The other, to see what upgrading to 8-core 2.93GHz or above in some manner. -
Render Lighting Effects Filter Crashing PS CS4 on only Mac Pro Towers...8 Cores!!!
I just recently received a brand new Apple 8 core 2.93Ghz Mac Pro tower and also had the previous 3.33Ghz 8 core with the same exact issue. I have 16GB of memory on this tower and my last tower had 16GB as well. Everytime I run the render lighting effects filter on certain files in PS it hangs up and then crashes on me. I know it is not the files because they work on my Macbook Pro's, my iMac, and have tested them on many other computers other than the Mac Pro tower's at the Apple Retail Store out by me. I ran the same files on their new Mac Pro and it crashed just like it did on my two towers, but was very random and not file specific. Some that crashed on mine opened on theirs and vice versa. I have worked with the Adobe top techs troubleshooting this and supposedly eliminated that it could be a preference related issue, permissions related issue, file issue, and have done many things like disabling Open GL, resetting prefs, reinstalling, trying in new user, in Rosetta, in safe mode, in the root user, etc...super thorough testing and it still happens. Both Apple and Adobe feel that it must be something going on with the Mac Pro tower, PS, and possibly how the graphics card interacts and renders the filter. Actually I opened these files in my PS CS3 and it rendering the lighting effects filter, but was unable to run the filter on the entire image and actually left a 1/4 inch of the bottom of the image untouched which was completely bizarre. I have screenshots and console logs too if someone wants to see. I am REALLY curious to hear if anyone else has run into this problem or if they try what happens. Thanks and curious to hear some input. Regards, Anthony
Here are three links to the files...the first one is the file that is crashing my CS4 when running filter>render>lighting effects. The second is what it did to my file after running that same file in CS3, and the last is what the preview dialog box showed in CS3 when not running the filter on the entire image.
http://www.atortphotography.com/psbugs/AlmondWaffle.jpg
http://www.atortphotography.com/psbugs/AlmondWaffleRenderBug.tif
http://www.atortphotography.com/psbugs/cs3filterpreviewcorruptHey there Bryan...I actually just talked with a level 2 Apple product specialist today after generating a case with Apple and he brought this to Apple Engineers and apparently since it is third party...meaning Adobe....it first has to be documented with Adobe after they look into the problem and then Adobe apparently will or should work together with Apple to help find a solution to the problem. This problem is very easy to reproduce on any 8 core Mac Pro tower and am hoping more people use the darn render lighting effects filter and get on everyone's case. I also had someone I know who is a Photoshop guru...Jim DiVitale test it on his 8 core in his photo studio and he was able to get his PS CS4 to crash like a bomb too. There is obviously something going on that needs to be looked at hopefully MUCH sooner than later so let's see what comes out of this. It really does suck because this is a filter that I actually do use in my workflow quite often. I just know that before I even attempt to run this filter I make absolutely certain I save everything and then hit that darn OK button. Keep on them and try to bring as much attention to this issue as possible so we can come to a resolution fast! @nthony
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Mac OS X - Opening Project Crawls - Uses Only 1/2 Core on a 12 Core Mac Pro
Can anyone else confirm this:
When opening a project in PP .. the Activity Monitor only shows one hyerthread ( out of 24 ) active while the program opens .. and it takes a long time.
This is a 12 Core ( 24 hyperthreads ) Mac Pro
Does it happen on a 8 Core Mac Pro?
Thanks for checking.Pharther Phurther wrote:
I thought if I paid enough and bought the fastest RAID .. I would get more than 1/2 of 12 cores to load a project.
Opening files is a pretty serial event and not one that can be easily parallelized without the risk of corrupting things badly. It's not surprising that only one core gets tapped when doing that. No amount of expensive/fast RAID is going to make the software use more CPU resources to load a project. Regardless of the software you're running.
jas -
PCI or PCIe on Mac Pro 2x2 Dual Core
I have what I believe is the first run of Intel Mac Pro's...
It's a 2x2 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon Mac Pro
I'm trying to figure out if it has PCI or PCIe (express) cards on the back...
System Profiler just lists "PCI cards" but I feel like maybe at that point they were using PCIe, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.They are PCI Express.
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP30 -
1066Mhz Memory in a WestMere 12-core Mac Pro
Hello,
Thanks for reading and for your help. I've tried to find an anwser on Google but without success.
I presently have a 2.26Ghz 8-core Mac Pro (Nahelem).
I would like to exchange it with a 2.66Ghz 12-core Mac Pro (Westmere).
I previously bought for my 2.26Ghz 8-core Mac Pro (Nahelem) 32Gb of RAM (Hynix HMT151R7BFR8C-G7). It works fine. And I would like to be able to use the same ram in the 2.66Ghz 12-core Mac Pro (Westmere). Is it possible? Even though the Nahelem uses 1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM and the Westmere uses 1333MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM.
If it is possible, I understand that I won't be optimal, but I wish to save myself the hassle of selling my old ram, to buy some new. And I will eventually swap the RAM for the right one when prices go down a bit.Westmere can use 1333 but shouldn't REQUIRE it. But with Apple hardware...?
And there isn't that much difference in performance. I know that was mentioned in one blog/post/article.
Now, as I write this, I am not sure, and definitely not 100%.
It should. I can't see how it would not (DDR3 is very forgiving except when you go above and beyond like faster RAM and over-clocking).
From OWC:
1333MHz and 1066MHz ECC
Model ID: MacPro5,1
1333MHz & 1066MHz ECC Mac Pro
Memory Information
* Up to 64GB of Total Memory
* 4 or 8 Total Slots
* Apple Specified Thermal Sensor
* DDR3 PC3-10600 ECC 1333MHZ or PC-8500 ECC 1066MHz
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory#1333-memory
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/1333D3W4M32K/
Crucial -
Q: +What memory goes into my computer, and will a faster speed be backward-compatible?+
A: *DDR3 memory with support for DDR3 PC3-10600 speeds.*
Crucial 12-Core Mid-2010 Mac Pro
First word from OWC and MacPerformanceGuide :
*OWC has confirmed that the 8GB modules do work in the 4/6-core 2010 Mac Pro* > According to OWC, using 3 modules shows a ~ *15% memory bandwidth gain* over 4 modules, so the configurations with a * at right ar the optimal ones. Whether real-world tasks are affected by this small difference remains to be tested, but +in past testing never measured more then 3% hit from using 4 modules instead of 3.+
Mid-2010 Mac Pro DDR3 Memory @ OWC -
Quad Core iMac vs. Quad Core Mac Pro?
My old Dual 2.5Ghz PowerMac had a coolant leak and Apple is replacing it with a Quad Core 2.66Ghz Mac Pro with 8 gigs of ram and 1 terabyte hd. Is the new Quad Core iMac a more powerful computer? 2.66Ghz vs. 2.66Ghz - NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 vs. ATI Radeon HD 4850? I'm thinking about not even opening the Mac Pro and putting it and my 24" Dell monitor on eBay. Help!
The iMac still has no PCI Express slots and is limited in the RAM upgrade versatility compared to the Mac Pro. Furthermore with only a single Firewire port, uncompressed video capture to a fast hard drive has to take place to a separate partition of the internal hard drive to ensure uninterrupted capture. On the hand it has an infrared port for the remote that the Mac Pro doesn't have, and an SD slot. The SD slot is good for still digital camera media, if you have an SD compatible camera, and it is good for "sneakernet" of data to other machines with SD slots or SD camera adapters. Many printers have these slots nowadays too. A bootable backup can be made to an SD card.
PCI Express offers SATA cards, and Fiberoptic connector cards for faster hard drive connectivity, as well as faster networking, and faster video and audio interface cards than can be found via Firewire and USB.
Also the Mac Pro can have up to 4 internal SATA hard drives.
So the question is, are you going to miss the expansion capabilities, or not? That should be the deciding factor.
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