10.4.7 Update and Classic System Folder

I installed 10.4.7 with no problems.
However, I needed to start Classic to run an old application, and when it started up, I got a message stating that changes were required. I allowed the changes to be made and the old application started up with no problems.
Today I tried to boot up my QuickSilver using the Classic partition. (I've done this routinely for the last two years to do repair work on my 9.2.2 partition.) The machine would not boot. Instead it booted using my regular 9.2.2 System folder.
When I checked the start-up folders using the OS 9.2 Startup panel, it showed the Classic system as version 9.2.5. (Using the 10.4.7 Startup pane, there is no version given at all, it just states "Mac OS.") The system file was updated during the changes to Classic. The QuickSilver will no longer boot from this partition.
I would still like to boot from the Classic partition. Is there a workaround for this?
QuickSilver Mac OS X (10.4.6)
QuickSilver Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Apparently during the "update" of the Classic System folder, there was a glitch. I replaced the Classic System File using the one from my OS 9.2.2 System folder, and I can now boot from the Classic partition AND Classic runs fine from OS 10.4.7.

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Can't find classic system folder

I recently bought a used Mac that has OS 10.4 installed on it. Everything works fine except for classic, which doesn't seem to be installed. I was told that I can simply copy the system folder of classic from another mac which already has it installed and I should be good to go. Now, I need to explain to a friend via email how he can locate this folder so he can make me a copy. Can someone tell me just where this classic system folder is located? Is it under the hard drive with the main system folder? I would love to get my classic apps going. Thanks fellas (and chicas).
Regards,
Billy M.

This may work. Keep in mind that if you just drag and drop a copy of a System Folder, you also drag and copy things that may have been installed later on the host machine, such as third party extensions, etc.. that my not work on your machine. If you do this, and have issues, you can drag the System Folder to your trash and be done with it. For the best results, try to find an old OS 9 install disk. There are used ones about, eBay sometimes. The one you want is the retail version of OS 9.1. There were two free updates available to this, still posted in places you can download, to bring it up to 9.2.2, which was the last and latest Classic release version. These may still actually be available on the Apple site, if you know where to look to find them. They are necessary to make your Classic folder more compatible to run in Classic mode within OS X.

Help with installing a internal HD to make a classic system folder.

Ok so I've been having one **** of a time trying to make this classic system folder (earlier thread: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2105407&tstart=0 ).
I have the original OS 9.0.4 disk, I didn't save my system folder when I went OS 10.4 so now I'm trying to make one because I can't make one with just 9.0.4 I need to make a 9.2.2 by just updating using IE 5. Should I install the internal HD as a Master Single, Master w/Slave presets, or just Slave then restart on that HD with my OS 9.0.4 disk in holding down c? Then move a copy of the system folder over to the other HD when I get it upgraded?
Hold on I got another idea just replace the HD that's in it now install 9.0.4 upgrade it then move it to my external if it can read it then put the old HD back in and the new one (which should I put that one back in as slave?) and tada.
Which way do you think will be the easiest and less painful way? Also do I make the second internal HD a Slave and the start up one as a Master w/Slave presets?
Message was edited by: HEMIII

Yep I just got done doin' just what you said and now I'm updating classic as we speak. Of all the questions I've had with trying to get classic to work I wish I would of thought of this first. Thanx for the simplified way of saying it. I'll post this in my other thread too, too bad I can't say I solved it myself, lmao.

Trying to install the classic system folder

Hi All, I have 10.4.11 installed on my G4 Cube and would like to use OS9 applications. I understand that I have to use the Classic environment and I have followed the apple instructions to restart the MAC with the OS9 disk and install. However, once I get to the OS9.2.1 desktop. the installer says that I cannot write over my existing OS. I cannot seem to see an option to installed the classic system folder..... The only disks I have access to are Retails OSX 10.4 and retail OS9.2.1.. Any ideas? Thanks Garry
Message was edited by: Garry Westwell

Yes, when booted into 10.4, double click on Macintosh HD on the Desktop, what folders do you see there?
Also, open Disk Utility, click on the whole drive on the left, click on the blue Info button, does it report OS9 Drivers installed like mine...
Name : Other World Computing
Type : Disk
Disk Identifier : disk2
Media Name : WDC WD50 00AAKB-00YSA0 Media
Media Type : Generic
Connection Bus : FireWire
Connection Type : External
Connection ID : 512381015163508
Partition Type : Applepartitionscheme
Device Tree : fw/node@1d20200660274/sbp-2@c000/@0:0
Writable : Yes
Ejectable : Yes
Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed : Yes
Location : External
Total Capacity : 465.8 GB (500,107,862,016 Bytes)
S.M.A.R.T. Status : Not Supported
Disk Number : 2
Partition Number : 0

Classic System Folder Not Installed

My hard drive was recently reformatted. The Apple guy installed Tiger and everything else but failed to install the classic system folder. Is it in my Tiger installation CD and can I install it separately or do I have to reformat my computer again? I don't have my Tiger CD with me right now. It's in my other place. I bought the CD separately by the way. My computer was running on Panther before. I really have to know the answers so I won't have to go get the CD for nothing. Thanks.

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Classic System Folder Disappeared or Got Trashed By Mistake

I upgraded from OS 10.3.9 to 10.4.10, and from a G3 iMac to a G4 iMac -- all because the G3 died and I have had to put its hard drive into a USB enclosure to access it, and because one of my LaCie backup drives now needs a complete Data Rescue II.
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To reconstitute my G3 10.3.9 System to run the now encased former CPU hard drive, should I install a 10.3.9 system directly to that hard drive, boot from it and thereby access all it contained (including whatever made Classic run on that machine)? Should I install 9.2.2 on that same hard drive? Or install 9.2.2 on the new G4iMac running 10.4.10?
It is so easy to make big mistakes mishandling system folders and contents. Any help and advice is greatly appreciated.
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Again much thanks, Kappy. The Classic Folder in the Library in the Previous System is unfortunately empty. This may be because the Archive was created onto an external hard drive(?). My present machine will not permit me to install OS 9.1 - 9.2 because it cannot start Classic (without a Classic Folder already on the machine:- Catch 22.)
Might I be able to use this G4 iMac in Target Mode, firewire connect it to the eMac G4, then try to install from the installer disk mounted on eMac or directly from OS 9 CD startup disk running the eMac? Somehow I have to get some Classic Folder onto the iMac G4 before it will allow me to do anything with the installation disk. It will not even let me install onto an external hard drive. The eMac however has Classic working properly, and will allow all these things; and the eMac and iMac are already connected as an ethernet network for file sharing and printing (if that mode could be used to install onto iMac from eMac.)
I'm sure there is some way to do this; I just can't get past the necessity for Classic to start first on the iMac within System 10.4.10 -- since there is no Classic folder attached to an OS System 9 to allow it.
Do any of my work-around ideas for targeting the iMac from the eMac have merit? If I haven't entirely exhausted your patience, I would deeply appreciate your advice.
Thanks for taking your time to help me.
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Removing Developer Tools and Classic system from OS X

Hello
I'm trying to free up space on my hard drive and I was wondering how I go about uninstalling the classic (OS 9) system and Developer Tools from my hard disk? Do I just drop to trash or should I do it another way?
Also, I was wondering if my mac mini install disks for V10.3.9 will only work on this Mac or if they could be theoretically used as install disks on another machine?

Hi arbela:
Developer Tools can be dragged to the trash and
deleted. The OS 9 system generally has three folders
associated with it: Applications (Mac OS 9),
Documents, and System Folder. Applications (Mac OS 9)
can be dragged to the trash and deleted, and if
there's nothing in Documents, so can that.
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Classic. Open the folder, then drag everything in the
folder to the trash. Delete. Then drag the System
Folder to the trash. You'll probably have to restart
before you can empty the trash.
As for your Mac Mini install disks, if they are the
grey discs that came with the Mac Mini, then they are
designed specifically for the Mac Mini. In other
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components shipped with your Mac Mini. If you were to
use the discs on an iMac, it probably wouldn't boot;
if it did boot, and the installer ran, the iMac
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10.3.9 and Safari, Software Updates and certain System Prefs stall

I've been using Firefox for over a year now because Safari stalls when I try loading it. Same thing happens when I try to make Software Updates or when I go into System Preferences and choose Security, Accounts, Sharing, etc.
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Hi Bob!
Is this the model Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics)?
If so, before you upgraded to OS X, did you first install this Firmware Update?
Which, would have required you, to start the computer from a Mac OS 8 or Mac OS 9 System Folder on the computer's hard disk, not from a CD, to install it.
In the past, you inquired about installing Tiger 10.4.x, on the G4.
In your first post here, you list your computer specs as PowerPC G4 Mac OS X 10.3.9). Which is Panther.
In the post above, you list the specs as PowerPC G4 Mac OS X (10.0.x), which is Cheetah.
Exactly which version of OS X is installed?
What version of OS, was previously installed on the G4?
Which of the discs, linked to below, did you use to upgrade?
And what was the exact procedure, you used to install the new version?
The Jaguar Full Retail CDs, a Full Retail Version, of the Panther Install CDs, or a Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD?
The discs should look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on them.
ali b

Just did Automatic update and now system keeps crashing

I just installed the latest updates: iTunes7 and QuickTime 7.1.3 and restarted my PowerMac G4 and now it gets a ton of pixels when it launches OS X and the system freezes and says it needs to be restarted.
Can anyone give me some ideas of what to try out?

The system probably was in need of repair already, an "accident waiting to happen" which booting into the command line (Single User Mode with "command + s" on startup to run fsck would help alleviate), that and a backup of your system.
Also, Applejack is a great tool to have handy to run after running 'fsck' if you have a PPC Mac (like G4).
Use the latest Disk Utility otherwise, and maybe 3rd party utility that is 10.4.7 compliant (Disk Warrior for PPC, TechTool Pro 4.5.1 for PPC and MacIntel).
You can still try Single User Mode and fsck.

How can I reload Classic on my old iBook so that my re-installed OS 10.3 can find a "classic system folder"?

When I try to install an older program on my iBook running a clean re-installed OS 10.3, it asks for a "classic system". I don't have any of my old classic system discs. Can I download it somewhere?

David Wilson24 wrote:
…It still starts in OSX (10.5.8)…
Aha! You hadn't mentioned the stinky Leopard (10.5.x) until this very last post.
You had me believing you were on Jaguar, 10.3.x, as per your original post.
Leopard (10.5.x) absolutely dropped all support for the Classic environment.

Syncronizing my 3gs with itunes the sync does not finish because itunes allways crash and stuck i made some troubleshoots like reinstall again but nothing and my itunes is update and the system is windows vista home premium.Please help me...

Syncronizing my 3gs with itunes the sync does not finish because itunes always crash and stuck and i can not sync my device, i dont no whats wrong because the itunes even can not acess itunes store, still loading waiting for itunes store and nothing.I tryed reinstall itunes but just waste of time.
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I also have the Mcaffe security centre so on the face of it we have very similar situations and I had not problems.
You asked what I meant about saving the installer on your PC.
When you go to the iTunes download page:
http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
And click on download, you should be offered the choice of running the installer or saving it. You need to click on save and then choose a folder on you PC where you want it saved. But I think you already did that.
After the installer file - iTunessetup.exe - is save on your computer, you double click on it to run it.
It's very odd that the installer fails at different stages. usually when the installation fails, it is at a specific stage and usually generates an error message.
I am afraid I am mystified. Have you had any other problems with your PC which might suggest a general problem not specific to iTunes?
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ICloud appears to have backed up apps, but nothing else after computer crash, IOS update and iphone system restore? How do i get the rest of my media back??

My windows computer crashed last night and shortly thereafter, my iphone updated to IOS 7 and i was forced to do a system restore before i could preform a backup... I tried accessing my old contacts, texts, notes, pics and apps thru icloud (i have it set up to automatically preform backup). It claims that the last back up was after my computer crashed/the update/system restore... I thought all was lost, then went to redownload some old apps. They all appeared with the icloud symbol next to them (instead of "free" or a price), so i'm assuming that i DO have things backed up on icloud? Why are my apps the only media showing back up? Is there a way i can salvage my contacts, texts, pictures and other deleted media still?

Apps are not included in a backup - only a reference to which apps are on the device. They are restored from copies in the app store.
Here's a test to perform - using a computer's browser, log into icloud.com. Check the contacts and other pages where your data had been stored. If they are not there, then the only place they could be is in a backup, either to itunes or (/and) icloud. You'd have to restore the backup. If the data is there, then your device is not connected to icloud. Go to Settings>icloud to be sure it's logged into the right account.
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Many users have lost photos while preforming a restore from backup or upgrading the iOS. Recall, only photos in the camera roll are backed up to iCloud. There is a way to turn backups for camera roll on/off, perhaps these users had camera roll turned off.
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Settings>icloud>Storage & Backups>Manage Storage, tap the device's name and on the next screen, be sure Camera Roll is turned on.
IMPORTANT...
Photos should be regularly synced to a computer (like you store photos from a digital camera) using either USB via iTunes (on a mac use iPhoto or Aperture to move them to an album) or using photo stream. If using Photo stream, but sure to move the received photos to a permanent album. If you have been doing that, then you can sync those photos back to your device.
If you haven't been saving photos except relying on iCloud to store them in a backup, then that is risky, as many users have discovered. I'm afraid I have no advice in this case - there is no "cure".

Missing files, user folder, application folder and system folder

I am using a MacBook Pro 2011 model with OS X 10.9.4.
Since I bought the machine several years ago, I have had only a few small problems with it. Yesterday I wanted to reduce the size of a video, so I downloaded a video compressor/converter software, and left the computer on and the program compressing my video whilst I went off to work. When I returned home, the compressing program had a pop-up saying ''Could not complete compression, system full'' or something along those lines.... After trying to play the movie without success, I decided that I would restart my computer, as it had been on all day.
When the computer restarted, it came up with the grey loading bar, which usually comes up when I have done a software update. It disappeared quite soon and several minutes later, my user profile appeared. I logged in as normal, and then tried to open my browser. An error message popped up stating"Can't open user profile directory, because you lack sufficient privileges. You might want to contact the administrator of this machine". I then tried to open other programs and they all came up with similar messages and did not open. Skype stated "Can't create a lock file at Users/Lauren/Library...etc".
I then went to Finder to look at my applications and they were ALL GONE! Then I went to a folder I have with all my files called "My files", and although the primary folders were visible, "SCHOOL,WORK, HOLIDAYS PICS, etc", these folders were empty. I then checked my User folder, and my systems folder and these were empty too. However, the Desktop and Documents folders still contain the documents that were previously there, and my background images remained the same.
I tried to open Word, and although it is also missing from the applications folder, and it opened, also allowing me to open a document which I know is located within the 'empty' folders. I have a feeling that my documents and files are still on my computer, but I don't know how to access them!
Please if someone could shed light on the situation! All my work files and personal files are on this computer and I would be devastated to loose them!
Let me know if you need any more ino or screen shots!
Kind regards,
Lauren

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Reinstall Lion, Mountain Lion, or Mavericks without erasing drive
Boot to the Recovery HD:
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Repair
When the recovery menu appears select Disk Utility. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported then click on the Repair Permissions button. When the process is completed, then quit DU and return to the main menu.
Reinstall Lion, Mountain Lion, or Mavericks
OS X Mavericks- Reinstall OS X
OS X Mountain Lion- Reinstall OS X
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Trying to install classic system on iMac G5

Hello,
I just purchased an old iMac G5 with OS X 10.3.9 and I want to install OS 9.1 classic in order to run old programs.
I have the iMac system software CD and the 4 restore CD. I understand that I am suppose to start the computer
by inserting the install CD and holding the "C" key during startup. I have done this and the computer is not starting
from the CD. After startup when running installer I get the error, "Classic cannot update files in "System Folder" on
iMac Install CD because the disk is read-only. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Be sure you have updated the firmware in your iMac before trying to install Mac OS X. The firmware updater requires a Hard Drive-based OS 8 or 9 to run, and cannot be run just from a CD.
60384- About iMac Firmware Update 1.2 Document and Software
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