1080 24p workflow

I am using the Canon T2i and shooting in 1080 24p (23.98). I am transcoding in moegstreamclip to ProRes 422 and leaving the frame rate blank. I am assuming that when I use the FCP Video settings of ProRes 422 1920x1080 24p it is going to work with my 23.98 footage. Would this be correct?
Thanks

Your workflow is correct, but there's no Easy Setup for this. Just import the files into FCP.
When you drag the first clip into the Sequence, you will be asked if you want the Sequence Settings to match the footage. Choose Yes and you're good to go.

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Take a series of respresentative clips. Wide gamut, fast action, brilliant colors, b&w, and so on.
Bring each clip into Compressor and generate a ProRes4444, ProResHQ, ProRes standard and ProResLT version.
Import all the clips into FCP and put the original 10 bit clip on the timeline then superimpose each version of the ProRes conversion using the Difference Matte. What do you see?
Now put each clip through the scopes and compare. What do you see?
Now play each on a broadcast reference monitor. What do you see?
I'd be willing to bet std ProRes will be fine. The bigger question is how much support Apple will be offering for ProRes as a legacy codec in 10-15 years.
Please report back.
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Does anyone have experience with shooting footage in 1080/24p mode, editing with FCP (1080/24p mode), and then exporting it as PAL 1080/50i?
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"At my day job, doing HD spots for Sony Pictures (who are very particular about picture quality), the editors are also using Avid's DNX compression. The settings they are using (at 1080 lines) are: 175X for 23.98 and 220X for 59.94. We've run tons of resolution tests and the clients find this acceptable quality for big media buys (Superbowl, American Idol, etc.)."
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