1080 30p or 1080 60i?

Hi everyone,
I am wondering which format is better in general (in quality):
1080 30p or 1080 60i.
I have a Canon Vixia HF20 and can't decide which mode to stick to (have done both and am not sure which one is best)...
thanks

I've been asking this also. To be more precise (hopefully without hijacking your question): These Canon cameras can shoot in 60i (the default) or 30p, and we wonder which is the better choice, assuming we will use the captured footage in iMovie 09.
Does the answer change if we are NOT using iMovie 09? I'd hate to send tapes to the archives that were shot at compromised quality just because of a quirky software issue that hopefully will disappear someday.
For straight camera to TV, I believe the default 60i is superior as it conveys more information when motion is present in the image. The TV deinterlaces as it is designed to for the best possible picture. Again, as I understand, the 30p option just writes two identical -instead of interlaced - fields to tape. (I'm not sure why this would lead to any better result in iMovie, which would toss every other interlaced field, giving the same net result.)

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lurkfan
What computer operating system is your Premiere Elements 12 running on? Have you updated 12 to 12.1 Update using an opened project's Help Menu/Update?
If not, please do so.
Please clarify "Can't add files filmed in 1080/60i to Premiere Elements 12."
Are you importing the 1080 60i into the project using (Expert workspace) Add Media/Files and Folders/Project Assets?
If so, are you getting an error message inside of the video appearing in Project Assets?
Are you setting the project preset manually or letting the program do that task automatically?
What is the project preset?
(See Edit Menu/Project Settings/General).
The project preset should be, for your 1080i...
NTSC
AVCHD
Full HD1080i30
What is the project preset for the 1080p footage?
(Also see Edit Menu/Project Settings/General.)
The project preset should be, for your 1080p
NTSC
DSLR
1080p
DLSR 1080p30 or DLSR [email protected]
Since your camera appears to be producing AVCHD.mov files, do you have the latest version
of QuickTime installed on your computer with Premiere Elements 12/12.1?
The answers will be in the details. Please review and then let us know the details and results
based on the above.
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Using CS6. I set my camera on 1080 30p, but the owner's manual shows this:
After further searching I found that the explanation seems to be that 1080 60i is the wrapper.
So, when I set P. Pro CS6 to 1080 30 p, P.Pro tells me that's the wrong setting and promps me to select this editing mode.
Upper field in progressive video ? No mention of progressive here.
When I export my project as progressive, using Encore, I can see small jaggies where contrasting colors meet. Very much like I used to see with interlaced video.
I tried Max render quality and 2x VBR encoding, but I still get the small jaggies.
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Hey, I see the whole gang is here! Just thinking out loud but follow along. (Rounding to 30 for simplicity only). If you record in TRUE 30p, the camera is grabbing/recording an entire frame of video every 1/30 of a second. There are no fields, just one full frame (image) from one moment in time. When recording 60i, then two individual fields are recorded at different times, for instance all the even lines are grabbed at one moment (1/60 of a second) and the odd lines are then grabbed 1/60 of a second later. These fields are combined to create a frame of video covering 1/30 of a second in total. However, since the two fields have a temporal (time) difference, the two fields may not match where there is motion. Things changed in the scene between grabbing field 1 and field 2. That's where we get motion blur and artifacting with interlaced video, while a frame of Progressive video is a "snapshot" of ONE moment in time.
My understanding of the "30p in a 60i wrapper" is that the camera is still grabbing a full frame in 1/30 of a second, as it would if recording 30p, however that frame is then split into two fields before being saved to tape/ SD card. The two fields are from the same MOMENT, so no temporal difference, but they are not "identical" as one field has all the even lines and the other has all the odd lines to complete the frame. Each "field" contains unique information, though the times match on both. These two fields when combined into a full frame should have the same "look" as though it was recorded as 30p.
So the way this "30p in a 60i wrapper" thing ought to work is that when viewing it, the 60i should look the same as 30p, should it not? So edit AND deliver as 60i. If the video is "deinterlaced" at some point, you would be throwing away one field, in effect halving the resolution, which is going to make the video look jaggy.
I could be wrong, but this seems logical. Please correct me if I'm off base ;-)
EDIT: Of course, if exporting for web, then that output is always Progressive, so not sure how that gets handled. Would it help to "Modify > Interpret As > Progressive"?? I have no footage with which to experiment unfortunately, but I feel that for DVD or Blu-ray, then 60i seems the way to go.
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Thanks for the reply. I agree that something odd is happening here. FYI when I run the files through quiktime, they also do not run smoothly. In other words, I imported the files through FCP and after the clips didn't ruyn smoothly, I went to the Event Folder/Original Media and tried to play the clips that way (through Quicktime) and I got the same issue. Does that tell you anything? When I play the clips on the camera they play fine. Is there perhaps an import setting error?
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