1080i-24p Sony V1U

I've been having a heck of a time trying to figure out how to get my 24p into a final cut timeline. I've done the hoo-hah of using cinema tools and even it didn't really work, I only successfully reverse telecined about half of my 135 clips for a short film I'm working on. In desperation I attempted to drop in 29.97 footage into a 24fps timeline and when I rendered the clip I had constant motion in all 24 frames of each second... for that clip.
Now 6 hours into editing I've tried rendering a clip and have found that I have frame doubling.. which makes it look like a bad claymation film!
Is there ANYTHING I can do? Or can someone at least explain to me how cinema tools works? On some clips I've tried every single possibility and I have still had PPIP, or some combination of progressive and interlaced frames in a reversed 4 frame sequence.
Any help? I've been searching the web for 2 weeks to find a solution to my 24p nightmare.
I captured at 1080i and 24 progressive in a Sony V1U.

The update 6.02 can allow pulldown removal from 60i HDV tape and here is what you will need to be successful.
1. An Apple Intel computer or PPC Quad.
2. HDV that was recorded as 24pA from the Sony V1U.
3. Final Cut Pro 6.02
If you have all of these ingredients you can remove the pulldown as you capture to Pro Rez and end up with the same size file 1440x1080, 23:98 timebase
If your shooter didn't record as 24pA but still recorded 24p you have two options. Leave the footage as is because the look of 24p is in the 29:97 (1080i) tape, or use Cinema Tools and try to remove the added frames. IMO you would be wasting your time to remove the pulldown. If someone really needed a 24p project they should have invested more time to insure the work flow before shooting, however anyone using this camera would never know the difference from any other 24p recording the way the Sony V1U records 24p to tape.
Good Luck
Z1

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