1080i AVCHD and CS4

I have a couple of questions regarding CS5 vs CS4 dealing with AVCHD files. First, I have an HP DV7 running Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, Intel i7 Q 720 /2 1.60GHz laptop with 6GB of ram. I have been editing HDV footage with CS4 and have had no issues to speak of. I am looking at the
Sony HXR-NX5U NXCAM camcorder. I understand that the work flow is a bit different and have the Sony PDF outlining the steps. Below are my questions before I purchase this camera or CS5:
1. Can CS4 handle this video format well?
2. Is my computer robust enough to handle this format?
3. Would things run smoother with CS5?
4. If I upgrade, any issues with my CS4 projects opening in CS5?
5. Are there instructions to cleanly uninstall CS4 so I can install CS5?
Thanks so much,
Lisa

#2 - if you have at least two 7200rpm hard drives (physical drives, not a partition on one drive) you will be able to edit... albeit slowly
If you only have one hard drive, and an eSata external for video files, you will also be able to edit
Trying to edit with only one drive will likely be a problem

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Buyer Beware: AVCHD and CS4

Greetings fellow Premiere CS4 users! This message is a cautionary tale...my cautionary tale...but it does have a hopeful ending. So I encourage you to read on. Also, if anyone out there has found a solution to this with Premiere CS4, I'd be delighted to hear from you.
I share this with a heavy heart, having been a Premiere Pro user and advocate for about a decade. Bottom Line Up Front? The CS4 release is incapable of cutting my AVCHD material (H.264, MP4, 1080, 60i). Interestingly, CS3, with the MainConcept HD plugin, worked pretty well. Memory issues when the projects got large (understandable with a 32 bit app), but all in all, a stable, robust editing environment with good export and DVD authoring capabilities.
The problem with CS4...and I don't know if others have had the same problem...is that 1080i material plays at double speed. Thus, a 10 second clip has 5 seconds of video and 10 seconds of audio. The video plays "overcranked"; the audio plays normally. Obviously, it is unusable.
This is particularly interesting given Adobe's claim that CS4 edits AVCHD formats native. This, in my experience, is not the case.
I did, as you might imagine, open a trouble ticket when I discovered the problem in September 2009. I have heard from an assortment of people in the last 5 months (Banish, Abhishek, Nargis)...and all have assured me that they would work with me to find a solution. Someone called a couple of weeks ago and scheduled a live telephone support session -- but no one showed up at the appointed time. Today I received a message from Adobe tech support asking me for a response or they would close the ticket. An interesting development, considering the last entry in the ticket log was from me in November 2009.
While cycling in this do-loop with Adobe support, I purchased the new MainConcept plugin for CS4. The problem didn't go away...but I did contact MainConcept with the same issue. They re-wrote their application to overcome the Adobe bug. However, CS4 would not edit the material "native" -- red in the timeline -- and required lengthy rendering to edit normally. So: score one for MainConcept, raspberries for Adobe.

Hello
Absolutely no problem to import, play and edit SAN0084.mp4 file here...
No color in timeline, no discrepancy beetween sound and video.
Premiere Pro CS4.2.1
Project preset AVCHD 1080i30 (60i) (non-anamorphic)
QX9650 à 3 GHz - Asus P5Q3 - Windows 7 64 bits
4 GB DDR3 PC12800 - Nvidia GTX275
The same file plays without problem on Windows Media Player 11.
Are you sure about your project and sequence parameters.
Have you checked in metrage requester of file (right clic on your file in bin, just above properties) that "Use frame frequency from file"is checked ?
Interestingly, this file is identified by PPro like XDCAM-EX type.
Sorry about your problem but it's not a PPro CS4.2.1 versus AVCHD problem.
Pierre Néel

Frame rate issue with AVCHD and CS4

I've been using a Canon HG20 recently and the whole experience of AVCHD has been a nightmare. I finally have a computer that can handle playing the native files in the Premiere timeline but it looks like there's a problem with the frame rate. It was shot at 1920 x 1080 and the frame rate was set at 60i.
When starting a new project I used the AVCHD 60i preset and the clips don't need rendering which tells me the settings should be correct. But something is definitely very off. I thought there was a slight chance it was a performance problem so I tried burning footage to a DVD and it looks exactly the same. Here's a clip I uploaded that shows the problem:http://www.vimeo.com/6443990
Does this look familiar to anyone? Any ideas on what the disconnect between the camera's settings and Premiere's settings might be?

It looks like it might be skipping frames or something. The movement looks wrong.
Just realized something. Please forgive my ignorance, it's only my second day using CS4. The clips I place into the timeline have a yellow bar above them. So I'm guessing this means that the frame rate of the clip doesn't match the project settings. I've tried all of the AVCHD presets. I can't place a clip in any of them without the yellow bar. When I right click on a clip and select 'properties' it shows the frame rate is 29.97. So what's with the yellow bar if the project settings match that?
Is there a way to tell if the HG20 shoots in 24p over 60i? And if that's the case how does that affect my project presets?
I have to be making some kind of simple newbie mistake here.

Taking 1080i AVCHD and making a 720p video/project?

So 1080i is a little bit overkill for me, especially since I dont actually own an HDTV or anything so i was just curious as what the workflow would be for going down to 720p?
Can I just make a new 720p sequence and drop the 1080i footage in there and let final cut deal? Or should I render out a new 720p version in compressor (if so how)? Or is there a way to bring it in at 720p during the LOG&TRANSFER process?

You cannot do this via Log and Transfer. You have two choices, either transcode the footage immediately after from 1080i60 to 720p60 and then edit, or edit your sequence as 1080i60 and then transcode.
You can do this in Compressor or you can use JES Deinterlacer. I wrote a tutorial on how to do this using JES and I've also posted a droplet that'll do this conversion for you, into ProRes 422 (LT)
http://tiny.cc/fv47u
Basically there are three important settings
1) Under the encoder pane --> video settings --> frame rate 59.94. I also suggest transcoding into an intermediate codec (like ProRes 422 LT) rather than trying to go from 1080i60 to 720p60 in a production format like h.264.
2) Frame Controls on with Output fields set to Progressive and deinterlacing set to whatever you're willing to wait for.
3) Under Geometry set frame size to 1280x720.
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Project settings for mixing AVCHD and iPhone video

Hello,
It seems that getting the correct project settings is imporant to Premiere, but what if I would like to mix AVCHD video with iPhone 3GS video? Which project settings would I select in this case?
Thank you.

This question aroused my curiosity and I tried mixing 1080i AVCHD and Nokia phone .3gp video on an 1080i AVCHD timeline in PE8 - the 3gp video played fine, the AVCHD video needed the timeline rendered to give a decent quality playback. I realise that's different from iPhone video, but I'm simply suggesting that it's worth trying, and that project presets don't necessarily mean that only the preset file type will work.
I have to say that this whole project settings thing is a mystery to me. Why does a 1080i AVCHD preset make a better job of playing back 3gp video from the timeline than it does playing back 1080i AVCHD? Weird. Why not just handle all that in the background (eg without asking the user for any settings at all, like one NLE here does, or simply setting the timeline to the first clip of the project (optionally) like another one here does?
As for the comment earlier on about background rendering - here (after a day or so) it seems to be not a very useful thing. Much grinding by the CPU for a very slow result. To get the timeline to play smoothly it's much quicker to position the work area bar as required and hit "enter". Also, one has to watch for the new analysis process, which once started seems to create an everlasting CPU intensive process even if you cancel it. You have to keep a sharp eye on the process manager and see what's consuming CPU cycles (if you don't know already) and kill any apparently rouge Adobe-related processes by hand. "Bmem" is your friend here, which is about the first thing I install on any PC of mine - badmofo.org/bmem is the site for this excellent freeware app.

AVCHD and premiere problem!

Computer I have to use is triple-core, 2.10 GH.z, 32-bit Vista, RAM 2 Gt, so not the best one. I shot my footage with Canon legria HF200 and Im using Adobe premiere CS4.
Main problem is that I can't see the playback in realtime, it's laggy and Im getting pissed off.
First of all, should I just covert these mts-files to some other format. I believe my computer can't handle those huge AVCHD files. The footage is for school movie so the quality should be good but it doesn't have to be the best.
What sequence preset should I choose when I'm not even sure about the settings of the camera. I know its AVCHD and it was 25fps and 1920x1080 so do I choose AVCHD-> 1080i or 1080p or what? And how about then if I convert these mts to some other format, which setting do I use then?
What format do you recommend? AVI??? Quicktime??? What should I do?
Thanks for the help!

Convert AVCHD to HDV
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/390605?tstart=0
or use Cineform Neo Scene http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/

Export to mp4 720p de-interlaced from 1080i AVCHD

How do I export to mp4 720p de-interlaced from 1080i AVCHD footage from a Sony HDR-SR12? The raw source at 1080i looks fine from iMovie 09' but the exported through Quicktime 720p video is baldy jittered. However, the only previous export I have of the same movie is an iMovie 08' version and sadly not what youtube considers HD source material at 960x540 but it was clear of the jaggies.
The previous exports were made with iMovie '08s medium and large to m4v. The export I made of the same edit was to Quicktime via Movie to MPEG-4, 1280x720 5000kbps/sec, framerate current, Key auto, preserve aspect ratio using crop and H.264 options Main, multi-pass.
You can see the results here. http://gallery.mac.com/mpitogo#100281&bgcolor=black&view=grid download it for best results.
iMovie-edit.png is the edited raw source played back in iMovie
iMovie-export.png is the edited and exported 720p movie bad jaggies on motion.
This looks to be a motion related problem the jaggies are not there for slow moving action. Anyone have ideas to exporting 720p without this jitter?
Thank you in advance!

This has to do with how iMovie 09' handles interlaced footage. The short answer is that it doesn't handle it well. Either de-interlace prior to editing in iMovie or use the 960x540 30p import setting. I know this is the short answer, but it has been quite thoroughly discussed in this forum, so a simple search will provide the long version.
For de-interlacing tools google "JES Deinterlacer". That will get you started.

AVCHD in CS4 working realtime only under MAC OS X

Even Dual Xeon (8 cores) MAC Pro with 8 GB RAM is not a realtime AVCHD playback machine in CS4, under any Microsoft OS.
I tested the same AVCHD footage under MAC OS X Leopard in CS4 and under Windows Vista on the same MAC hardware and the result is smooth realtime playback under MAC OS X and NO realtime playback at all under Windows Vista 64 bit SP1.
I guess that is the reason that in Adobe they use MAC based system for demonstration of AVCHD in CS4 !!!
For example: In the link http://tv.adobe.com/#vi+f1510v1000, Dave works in CS4 under Mac OS X, not under Microsoft OS.
Any other smooth playback experience under Windows Vista with AVCHD footage on MAC PRO dual Xeon?

Did you get this resolved..
I am using Internet Explorer v. 5.2 on Mac OS X v.10.2.8. I have successfully run an applet, using jre 1.3.1 which implements the "showDocument" method and opens a new page.
Could you post your code..

Please doublecheck my understanding about AVCHD and Macs

Ours is substantially a Mac household because we appreciate the simplicity of OS-X and Macs in general. I am in the market for an AVCHD based HD camcorder and a new computer to handle its video. After a few weeks of reading here, I am leaning towards a PC, but before I do that, I would like to lay out my reasoning on the chance that I misunderstand some things that could tip the balance back towards a Mac.
First, with a powerful enough computer, under Windows, Sony Vegas (for well under one hundred dollars), will edit AVCHD directly. There may be other PC software that does this as well or better. Using such software, I can burn the AVCHD file to a standard DVD disk and play it on a blue ray player, or to an SDHC card and play it on a device that plays AVCHD from an SDHC card. I have been running the Windows 7 RC on our one last remaining PC, and it has been a pleasure to use. Maybe not all the way to OS-X, but close (in fact, compared to the one computer I upgraded to Snow Leopard and the problems I had with Front Row, in some respects the Win7 RC has been better than OS-X).
iMovie will import AVCHD, but in doing so it will convert it to AIC. That will cause the file size to grow by about 4X. And editing a 1080i video (or any interlaced video) will strip out half of the lines to down convert it to 540p. The alternatives are to either download and install some other software (free or low cost) to convert the AVCHD file from interlaced to progressive, or to limit my shooting to 24p....so I would be limited to only cameras that support that mode.
With all these changes to the file in iMovie, I would not be able to burn the file to a DVD or an SDHC card in AVCHD format to play on my blue-ray player or HDTV (both of which have AVCHD-capable SDHC slots for this purpose).
The other Mac software alternatives are either Final Cut Express, or Final Cut Pro. Final Cut Express has the same issues as iMovie. FCP will not down convert the file to 540p if I import to Apple ProRes. It has a list price of about one thousand dollars.
When I balance the issues, it is pretty clear to me that Win7 on a PC quad core desktop with a beefy video card is my best option for video. I still have my old Macs for doing day to day stuff. But I would love to find out that I have missed something and that I can edit and export AVCHD on a Mac without the hassle of bloated files and kludgy workarounds.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Barry Speronello wrote:
Thank-you both for your responses. Winston, please let me ask for clarification of some of your points. If I understand you correctly, maybe I can stay with a Mac and just buy a much bigger hard drive to handle the big AIC files.
It's possible to save a great deal of space by importing your AVCHD files as AIC for imovie and copying them (drag and drop to an area on your drive for archives), once you have edited your video in imovie, you can delete the project and associated AIC files content in the knowledge you can always import to AIC again from your archive should you ever need to return to re-edit.
You wrote: "...well it's not actually all that bad since your 1080i is actually only 540 fields every frame". I am impressed by what I see as a significant difference between 480p (p, not i) and 1080i images on a large TV. That is why I was focusing on 1080 HD camcorders. Is there something special about the 540 line export that would make it materially better than 480p for display on a modern 46" plasma HDTV?
I suppose you could say there was something special about 540 lines of resolution, in that twice 540 is 1080. 1080i actually displays 540 odd and then 540 even lines 30 times a second, throwing away the odd lines and making the even lines progressive isn't quite the same thing but it gives a surprisingly good result, much better than proportionally better than 480.
Take a look at this movie (ignore the camera work/standing to near the bass player - it's our party and I'd had more than a few beers),
http://gallery.me.com/gartside1104#101874
I used a Sony HDR SR8 AVCHD camera (1080i/25 fps @ 15 mbps) and a canon xm2 DV camera (576i/25fps) the later being quite a good camera. I made the mistake of shooting in 4:3 with the DV camera so had to crop the video to the equivalent of around 433 vertical lines which makes it a little worse than your 480i but you get the idea. Don't forget to view the video as large and set it to play at full screen.
The information that one can export nearly source-quality 1080i video after editing in iMovie as AIC is encouraging to me. There are 3 points to that for me.
You can't export 1080i from imovie, I didn't actually say that, what you can do is export 1080p, Although I think we are supposed to be able to export 1080i because there is a setting for it although it doesn't work. I'm assuming it's a bug that will get ironed out, the same 1080i export option in QT works just fine.
1) The point that you make earlier in your note that upon conversion to AIC only "...technically speaking only a small amount of loss in quality..". And the inference that there will be no further loss in quality upon the back-conversion from AIC to AVCHD. That is a pretty subjective analysis and I'd appreciate others' opinion on the degree of quality-loss upon that double conversion (AVCHD to AIC to AVCHD). I am skeptical, but open to the possibility.
You can't export to AVCHD with imovie, I didn't actually say that, what you can do is export to AVC. (AVCHD is h264 in an mpeg2 stream, AVC is h264 in an mpeg4 stream, they may contain the same codec but have different containers). And yes I agree, every conversion will result in some quality loss, noticeable or not. I don't use a pc for editing and have never used sony vegas, but I would imagine that native editing merely means the particular chunk of video you are applying an edit to is decompressed rendered and re-compressed and would result in a similar loss of quality.
2) I wasn't aware that Quicktime would export 1920x1080 AVCHD video from a file that had been converted to AIC from 1080i AVCHD. What version would I need, and is it still available. I have Snow Leopard that I will eventually be re-installing on my machines (once the issues with Front Row and some other things are corrected). Will QT-X in Snow Leopard do this? I do not own QT-Pro. Can I still purchase it if I need it to do the export?
Again Quicktime doesn't export to AVCHD, but it does have 1440 x 1080 and 1920 x 1080 AVC export settings. What I was trying to say was that while I don't have one, I was assuming that many blu-ray players and tv's with card slots would support the playback of AVC as well as AVCHD, although I can't in anyway be sure.
3) I presume that the re-exported files go back to being much smaller than the AIC version...ie, that they are about 1/4th the size of the AIC file from which they were created? Please confirm that. I need the compactness of AVCHD to fit a reasonable amount of video onto standard DVDs and reasonably sized SDHC cards.
The AVCHD files that I started the aforementioned movie with were 15 mbps, AIC decompresses these to between 80 and 100 mbps, the movie I created at 960 x 540 is about 3.6 mbps
Regarding burning of the exported AVCHD file to DVD or SDHC card, couldn't I use Toast, as suggested by Steve Mullin above, to do that?
Sorry I don't know anything about toast, I'm assuming you stick the AVC file on the DVD or data card as data and not as a DVD or other format.
Finally, I am not familiar with AVC and don't know if my devices will handle it (the user guides only mention AVCHD). If it is just a lower-res version of AVCHD, then I suspect that they might handle it, but I don't think that it would do what I want it to do. Is it lower res AVCHD, or is it a different way to output 1080 resolution video?
Hopefully I've answered that.
QT Pro is a key that unlocks a number of features in QT 7, QT 7 is still available and so is the pro key, although as I say it does not export to AVCHD. If the AVC format is a problem for you getting it to your tv, then the mac may be an issue for you as I'm not aware of any software that will create AVCHD on the mac.
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Accelerating AVCHD in CS4

I have Premiere CS4 and do not want to upgrade at this point in time. With CS4, is there any way to accelerate playback of AVCHD footage? On my current system, the footage plays ok for a few secs and then starts to judder. Scrubbing the timeline is impossible. Am I correct in thinking that certain NVIDIA CUDA cards accelerate playback of AVCHD in CS4 like they do in CS5? If so, which card is recommended for CS4?
Thanks

Am I correct in thinking that certain NVIDIA CUDA cards accelerate playback of AVCHD in CS4 like they do in CS5? If so, which card is recommended for CS4?
No. The MPE was added with CS5. This ARTICLE on MPE might be helpful. This also might be a good reason to upgrade, but the CPU is still very important with AVCHD and H.264 footage.
The only way to accelerate the heavily-compressed AVCHD footage is by upgrading the CPU. That is where most of the work is done.
A stout I/O will help some, but the big load is still on the CPU.
Good luck,
Hunt

Vista 64 bit and CS4 and color management

This is a question about Vista 64 bit and CS4 and color management. I scan 4x5 film and sometimes end up with up to or even bigger than 1 GB files. Obviously that needs as much memory as possible. Windows XP is limited in this regard and I am in the market for a new speedy computer which won't force me to stay at a snail's pace. In this month's Shutterbug, David Brooks in his Q&A column says to avoid Vista for color management reasons, but offers no explanation or support for his opinion. He implies one should wait for Windows 7 for some unstated reason. With a calibrated monitor and printer and Photoshop controlling color files sent to the printer, why would Vista be any different or worse than XP? Is he on to something or just pontificating? Does anyone know any reliable info about Windows 7 that would make it worth waiting for?
Thanks.

Zeno Bokor wrote:
Photoshop has direct access to max 3.2gb
On Mac OS X, PS CS4 can use up to 8 GB of RAM, but only directly accesses up to 3.5 GB. (Figures quoted from kb404440.) In using PS CS4 on Mac OS, though, direct Memory Usage maxes out at 3 GB even. If you set usage to 100% (3 GB), then plug-ins (including Camera Raw and filters), as well as actions and scripts, can access RAM above that 3 GB to between about 512 MB and about 768 MB total (seems to vary depending on which filters et al that you are using), leaving the rest up to 4 GB for the Mac OS. If you have more than 4 GB, then the amount of RAM above 4 GB is used by PS as a scratch disk. This increases performance significantly for most things because writing to and reading from the hard drive is much slower than doing so with RAM.
I haven't done the testing for actual RAM usage and such for PS CS4 on Vista 64, and Adobe's documentation is very much lacking in detail, but, based on the statement "If you use files large enough to need more than 4 GB of RAM, and you have enough RAM, all the processing you perform on your large images can be done in RAM, instead of swapping out to the hard disk." from kb404439, it seems that PS would be using RAM in very much the same way as I described above for Mac OS, except that the scratch disk usage in RAM wouldn't be limited to 8 GB (instead to how much you have installed). Has anyone done any performance/load testing to know for sure? I didn't see any such studies published, but I am curious if one has been done.
I will agree that there is a definite performance advantage when using PS CS4 (64-bit) on Vista 64, which I've experienced, especially when working very large compositions.
My initial recommendation to the OP to use Mac was based upon reading those articles about bad color management. As I stated before, I have never experienced that problem, and clearly the views of all that have posted here so far indicate that the problem may not be a real issue. (Perhaps this David Brooks fellow and Steve Upton both like to mess with their computers and broke something in Windows?)

Enabling Installation of CS3 and CS4 products that will not install on Windows 7 64Bit.

Adobe installers are not known for their helpful or forgiving ways & I have more than once had to reinstall Windows when installation of CS3 and CS4 products has failed with patently inscrutable errors.
The background to the current issue that I was attempting to install PS CS4 on a W7 system which already had CS CS3 installed. The CS4 installer threw up inscrutable messages indicating that the installation could not proceed and to contact Adobe (they are joking right ? Their phone & web support is notoriously UN-helpful).
After reading through threads suggesting that I uninstall CS3, apply CS3 and CS4 cleaning scripts I was in exactly same position I have found myself in on least 2 occasions with WinXP. By this time I couldn't event get CS CS3 to reinstall!
Then I decided to review the event log and found a number of installer events thrown up by the Adobe installers resembling "Error 1402. Could not open key: UNKNOWN\Components\xxxxxxxx".
I tracked down this very helpful solution which allowed me to change the registry permissions on the parent key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\S-1-5-18\ Components and propagate the new permissions down to the child keys.
http://www.okino.com/conv/changing_windows_registry_permissions.htm.
My advice is to follow instructions for "A More All-Encompassing Solution" and propagate the permissions right down to all the child keys as I could see a number of separate adobe installer errors in the event log. Also note the instruction to change the Owner from 'System' to 'Administrators' in Advanced settings. This is necessary in order for the Permissions change to be accepted and replace all the child object permissions.
As with most registry changes good advice to backup your registry hive first (although I didn't; by this time I was already expecting to have to reinstall Windows) and restart your system after making the registry changes before attempting to install / reinstall CS3 or CS4 products.
Hope this solution works as well for others as it did for me as the Adobe support on this issue has been next to useless.
[P.S. Q: Did you hear the joke about the guy who worked on product installation at Adobe rocking up at job interview with 'Adobe Installation Project Team' on his Resume? A: That that is the joke! If you wanted another job in installation development you would hardly admit to experience at Adobe ;)]

John Joslin wrote:
We don’t want people messing with the registry when they don’t need.
My apologies John I didn't realize that I was addressing the official custodian of Photoshop.
Incidentally my advice is intended for others in a similar situation who find themselves stalled during installation and otherwise contemplating a re-installation of Windows. I believe this would be obvious to most forum participants who had actually read my original post.

End of Upgrade Cycle for CS3 and CS4... Really Adobe?

As if business wasn't bad enough now I see there will be no upgrade paths past december for CS3 and 4 users. Is this how Adobe plans to keep users away from stopping their upgrades and reducing the number of machines they run Adobe products on? I understand Adobe is not a non-profit and has has to turn a revenue, but the geniuses at Marketing here have made a huge mistake by basically telling their customers that what they have so far will be worth zilch in comes 2013. That arbitrary deadline, is not consider some people who on the east coast are now cash strapped as anyone having to choose between home repairs and other such marvelous stuff and upgrading to CS6 guess what they'll choose. And for the lucky ones not heavily affected by the storms, they will donate to help their community before they will spend money to upgrade perfectly good software.
It wasn't enough that the upgrade path wasn't much of a discount, but in the current economy every penny counts! The choice of stopping support for CS3 and CS4 in my personal opinion an ill-advised move. I personally went from 3 to 4 within a short amount of time... then when 5 came out my budget didn't allow so I needed to wait. The new CS6 isn't direly needed so I decided I'd have to loose some additional "upgrade power" because money need to be directed elsewhere now... but the news that I'd loose all the upgrade power and would have kept on upgrading for nothing it's just ridiculous... and if that's the treatment a customer will have to expect from now on I think I'll use what I have and move to alternatives stopping to personally support Adobe products an rely on licensed copies at work instead. Perhaps Adobe hasn't notices we aren't exactly doing that great in US between the current economical situation, the various setbacks experienced across the country and for the fact that in this particular business most work is often being outsourced out of US these days... I am sure you will have a huge market on the countries where the outsourced work is being sent... as far as I am concerned comes 12/31/2013 I will no longer be an Adobe customer as Adobe is forcing me out of the upgrade cycle and I won't plan to re-enter anytime soon in the coming future... lesson learnt.
Thank you for your time (if any of the marketing gurus will have cared to read this far without laughing and discounting with a "screw those old customers, they should've upgraded earlier" which was basically the content of the email I got this week... pasted below)
Cheers,
tfbkny
Content of email received from Adobe saying last chance to upgrade now or what you got will be worthless in less than a couple months.
Dear Creative Suite customer:
We want to make sure you're aware of an important change to Adobe's upgrade policy that may affect you.
Beginning January 1, 2013, only Creative Suite customers with licenses for CS5 or CS5.5 versions will qualify for upgrade pricing to CS6.
Due to this change, we will only continue offering CS3 and CS4 customers like you special upgrade pricing through December 31, 2012.*
* Owners of CS3 and CS4 individual products and suite editions will be eligible to receive upgrade pricing to CS6 until December 31, 2012. After that date, only customers on CS5 or CS5.5 will qualify for upgrade pricing to CS6.

Adobe doesn't care, they don't have to. I like Phsotoshop and have been using it professionally for 20 years, but lets face it, I wouldnt mind some really good competition from another source. It didnt use to be the only game in town, and doesnt have to remain so.
I could brainstorm how I would want competing software to look like. Pshop is not the easiest workflow possible. Illustrator is clearly deficient to even CorelDraw, and certainly Freehand. I've been meaning to reconnect with CorelDraw. It did some cool things.
Google Chrome is pulling a lot of manoevers software wise and I hope they try to go a little deeper and give Adobe a run for their money on the one program they feel justifies unbelievable gouging. Go investigate Ableton Live if you want to see what a company that cares about its customers is doing, ADOBE. Audition is a JOKE compared to Ableton Live. Thank God we're not powned on the audio side by these suits.
The idea that a company would peddle buggy software, which CS4 was..., although some of that was Apple's fault, is bad, the upgrade prices were ridiculous, and this is the end of the road for me currently. The idea that a company would actively
push away customers is pretty incredible. "But I sent you an email!" Whoops, you gotta pay $1900 for production premium CS6! HAHAHAHAHA. Time for a YT video with my old hard copy box. Sounds like a good idea.
There are too many options on the motion graphics side, and I'll keep a static machine to run Pshop and AE CS4.
The masters of the universe will have theit way, and the rest must bow to their ambivalent greed. At least that's the way they think. It would seem that Adobe and Apple really, really want some upstarts to come up. Maybe $360 for a year to figure out an exit might work. It will be interesting to see if this hits earnings. VERY interesting.

I have CS4 and was using a Canon 5D Mark II with raw photos. I just got the Canon 5D Mark III and CS4 now can not read the raw photos. It has raw version 5.7.0.213 and CS4 version 11.0.2. Can anyone help?

I have CS4 and was using a Canon 5D Mark II with raw photos. I just got the Canon 5D Mark III and CS4 now can not read the raw photos. It has raw version 5.7.0.213 and CS4 version 11.0.2. Can anyone help?

Camera Raw plug-in | Supported cameras
Camera Raw-compatible Adobe applications
EOS 5D Mark II
CR2
5.2
2.2
EOS 5D Mark III
CR2
6.7, 7.1
4.1
Photoshop CS6
7.0
8.3
Photoshop CS5
6.0
6.7
Photoshop CS4
5.0
5.7
The 5D Mark II was first supported by Camera Raw 5.2 which is compatible with CS4+.
The 5D Mark III was first supported by Camera Raw 6.7 and 7.1 which is only compatible with CS5 and CS6.
So the CS4 will never be able to open Raw 5D Mark III files.
Why doesn’t my version of Photoshop or Lightroom support my camera?
Choices:
Purchase CS6 full version (CS4 is too old to qualify for an upgrade)
Join the Cloud
Free option: download the free Adobe DNG converter, convert all 5D Mark III Raw files to DNG format then edit the DNGs in CS4
Photoshop Help | Digital Negative (DNG)

Cs2 and cs3 and cs4 on the same pc xp? could be a mess up?

Hi
i have some questions
i bought cs2 some time ago , i guess 4 years but now i don't remember
and i did installed on my pc , never had a problem
after when cs3 come out , i tried the trial version , the first time i did not like it , but after 2 weeks , i liked and i need it for camera raw
i upgraded my cs2 license
well the point i donwnload the trial version of cs4 (english version , because most of the tutorials are in english) while cs2 and cs3 are in my language
i tried to make a custom install (i did not install all the comonent)
something went wrong ,when i tried to uninstall cs4 , i don't know but cs4 did not uninstall all the components (the uninstaller keeps adobe color Na, Ja, Eu, color common setting and cmaps)
i downloaded the cs4 cleaner for adobe page , but the adobe cleaner for cs4 was not able to clean these components, it tried to clean cs3
well i had to use windows installer clean up manually
delete every thing that is related to cs4
uninstall cs3 and re-install it
so after this mess, i ask if i can keep cs2 cs3 and cs4 (i think i will buy or upgrade) in the same pc running xp?
my second question
2) after updating cs4 , run the cs4 update utility and update all the cs4 components , cs4 seems to be more fast then cs3 , still on old pc with a powerfull machine like a p4 3.6 with 2gb of ram and a good graphic card pci express
is my feeling ? is the cs4 more fast then cs3 on not fast pc , isn't it?
thanks too much
and have a nice day

thanks John Joslin
CS4 is faster than CS3 on a computer which supports it.
which are the computer that supports it ? i run xp
why did the uninstaller do a mess up ?
thanks

1080i AVCHD and CS4

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