13.02 update changes smart object / icc profile assignment behavior?

Since updating to the 13.02 release of photoshop CS6 extended I have noticed the following modified behavior:
When changing the assigned profile of an image containing smart objects, where the smart objects have previously gone through a color profile conversion - the smart objects will get reconverted to the newly assigned profile.
This was certainly not the behavior of 13.01 and previous versions.
Is this an intentional change? If it is shouldn't it be noted in the release notes?
System info: mac os x 10.6.8

I think I understand the rational for this change, but I think it misses the mark a bit.
In my experience the largest source of smart-object trouble is when someone converts a document without first assigning a profile, relying on the profile set in photoshop's color settings. When the smart-object is edited on another computer the color will shift if the color settings on the two computers don't match exactly.
By reconverting smart objects on profile assignment you are creating two new problems.
Only smart objects are reconverted, so documents with both smart and not-smart layers will end up in an inconsitent state. Colors that matched within the same image may no longer match.
If a document is saved without a profile assigned and you later want to assign it a profile, you will have to use the original profile or your color will shift. It is not uncommon when working with documents from other organizations that the original profile used for conversion is not available.
What then is the fix for this problem? Always embed the profiles used for conversion within the smart objects for use when updating. Source and destination.

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Dear all. I am stumped. I have piece of packaging artwork that I’m using in my 3D software.
Smart Objects are great for this as all I have to do is go to Photoshop, double-click the Smart Object, then in Illustrator turn off the layers I need etc and update the Smart Object back in Photoshop and save back out for my 3D software. Only problem is that when I switch off the layer in illustrator and go back to Photoshop to update, the Smart Object jumps half way up my Photoshop file as if I’ve moved it but it also crops it so I can’t even just move it back down as there’s nothing there when I do.
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Embedded objects are independent of any original file. Embedded objects are a copy of whatever (file, layer, group, etc) anything supported by Photoshop. You can have smart object layers in a document that share a common object. If you replace that common shared object all the smart object layers that share that the object pixels will change and be transformed by the smart object layer's associated transform. This is often used for creating picture packages. However the replacement object must be the same size as the original object for all the transforms to work correctly.
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srukweza wrote:
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