16mm film to Digital (Flicker Problem)

I am transferring 16mm film by projecting it to a screen and then capturing it with a Cannon XL2,
These are very old family films that are not the greatest quality to start with so quality is not an issue.
We just want to keep the old movies but not to go to the expense of having it done professionally.
We can even live with the flicker but if there is a way to reduce it some, that would be nice.
I have searched the forum but all of the posts dealing with flicker are old, like 2006 or so.
I am wondering if FCPX has some kind of filter available that would help.
Thanks for any input.
Jac

a) a projection usually creates issues with socalled 'hot spotting' - that's easy to fix in post
b) projection and video-cam are never in synch - which creates flicker; theoretically, you could try to set the projector to 30fps, and slow down the 'Keystone Cops'-effects in post. but your cam is electronics (and, to be precise 29.97), a projector is mechanics ... never in synch, neverever .......
c) your camera records 'lines' of pixel - which could miss part of the frame, which is fully projected; this creates the annoying 'running bars' - so, the shutter speed of your cam has to be 1/30 (if 30fps projected). And has to be in synch with your projection ....
jac Colon wrote:
… We just want to keep the old movies but not to go to the expense of having it done professionally.
all that would be 'solved' if done professionally - no projection, but each frame gets scanned = time/costs.
I remember a product, kinda box, two holes, one for pointing your cam into it, the other to 'beam' into with your projector; the tiny 'screen' inside was sort of 'phosphorized' material which had a split-second of 'afterglow' .... came up in the 80ies, when first home-video-cams appeared, and people tried to transfer their 8mm stuff; perhaps you can find such a Magic Box (no idea, what the correct term is/was) in some garage-sale ......

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