1GHz vs 867MHz vs Dual 500MHz

Hi,
Im in the progress to upgrade my Sawtooth 400Mhz. Here's what I'm looking at:
-Single 1GHz (OWC upgrade)
-Single 867Mhz (from Quicksilver)
-Dual 500MHz (from Digital Audio)
Wonder which to go for. My main usage will be DTP work (ie Adobe CS). Used to work on my 1GHz PB 15", and I'm happy with it.
Please leave your comment. Which will you go for?
Thanks in advance!

Hello,
The one from OWC will work (if you mean the Mercury Extreme). Three screws, change CPU's, put the screws back in, startup.
The next one will work, but needs some difficult changes. Different bus speeds - 133 vs 100.
Third will work, but again, not a direct swap. Different bus speeds - 133 vs 100.
Look here as well, same as OWC Mercury Extreme:
http://www.fastmac.com:16080/ProductPage/agp.php
Regards,
Dave

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PCI Card: ATTO ExpressPCI UL3D, scsi-2, SLOT-2
PCI Card: firewire, ieee1394, SLOT-3
PCI Card: ATY,RV100, Display, SLOT-4
PCI Card: ATY,Rage128, Display, SLOT-5
Parallel ATA Device: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109,
Parallel ATA Device: LITE-ON DVD SOHD-16P9S,
Parallel ATA Device: ST3200822A, 186.31 GB
Parallel ATA Device: ST3200822A, 186.31 GB
SCSI Device: SCSI Target Device @ 0,
SCSI Device: SCSI Target Device @ 2,
USB Device: Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 500 mA
USB Device: Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM), Microsoft, Up to 1.5 Mb/sec, 100 mA
USB Device: Apple Pro Keyboard, Mitsumi Electric, Up to 12 Mb/sec, 250 mA
FireWire Device: LaCie 1394 Disk drive LUN 0, LaCie Group SA, Up to 400 Mb/sec

Upgrade machine to QuickSilver, which ones are compatible w/ current boards

Greetings Apple Discussions:
The Sawtooth is freezing, especially with DVD burning and GarageBand or other heavy task. The machine first started freezing every once and a while when I added the video card and started running two monitors at one time. Now it freezes more often. I was wondering if this stock power supply needed upgrading, but most of my additional devices are externally powered. The two cards and two internal hardrive upgrade and additions are internal. Here is a list of the relevant info from the System Profiler. I edited some of it to be direct and simple.
I basically need to know which QuickSilver can except the video and PCI cards I have added.
I would appreciate if someone could help me with this issue.
HERE IS THE INFO:
Hardware Overview:
Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics)(Sawtooth)
Machine Model: PowerMac3,1
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 1.4 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 1.5 GB
Bus Speed: 100 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1
Serial Number: XB0070N3HSF
Sales Order Number: M7628LL/A
ATA Bus:
WDC WD1200JB-00GVA0:
Capacity: 111.79 GB
Model: WDC WD1200JB-00GVA0
Storage 120 66:
Capacity: 111.66 GB
Available: 21.54 GB
ATA Bus:
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D:
Model: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D
IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI:
Model: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI
EXTERNAL DVD BURNING
MAD DOG MD-16X3DVD9-8X:
Firmware Revision: 1.F0
Interconnect: FireWire
Burn Support: Yes (Unsupported)
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
MAC MAIN DRIVE:
Capacity: 111.66 GB
Available: 26.34 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk1s10
Mount Point: /Volumes/MAC MAIN DRIVE
Mad Dog DVD Burner
MD-16X3DVD9-8X:
GRAPHICS/DISPLAYS
ATI Radeon 8500:
Chipset Model: ATY,R200
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-A
VRAM (Total): 64 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x514c
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-85710-123
Displays:
HMD-A440:
Resolution: 1344 x 1008 @ 85 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Not Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
IBM P260:
Resolution: 1600 x 1200 @ 70 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Not Supported
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
MEMORY
DIMM0/J21:
Size: 512 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC100-322S
Status: OK
DIMM1/J22:
Size: 256 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC100-322S
Status: OK
DIMM2/J23:
Size: 512 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC133-333
Status: OK
DIMM3/J24:
Size: 256 MB
Type: SDRAM ECC
Speed: PC100-222S
Status: OK
PCI CARD
ACARD,6280M:
Name: ACARD,6280M
Type: scsi
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-C
Vendor ID: 0x1191
Device ID: 0x0009
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1191
Subsystem ID: 0x0009
Revision ID: 0x0007
PARALLEL SCSI
SCSI Parallel Domain 65536:
Initiator Identifier: 7
ATA Maxtor 6L250R0:
Capacity: 233.76 GB
Manufacturer: ATA
Model: Maxtor 6L250R0
Tiger:
Capacity: 233.64 GB
Available: 142.77 GB
ATA SAMSUNG SP2514N:
Capacity: 232.89 GB
Manufacturer: ATA
Model: SAMSUNG SP2514N
Samsung 250:
Capacity: 232.76 GB
Available: 170.68 GB
System Power Settings:
AC Power:
System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 60
Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 180
Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 45
Sleep On Power Button: Yes
Automatic Restart On Power Loss: No
Wake On AC Change: No
Wake On LAN: Yes
Wake On Modem Ring: Yes
PRINTERS
(Its only a HP All-In-One)
Adobe PDF 7.0:
Status: Idle
Print Server: Local
Driver Version: 10.4
Default: No
URI: pdf700://distiller/
PPD: Adobe PDF 3016.102
PPD File Version: 1.0
PostScript Version: (3016.102) 0
psc 2400 series:
Status: Stopped
Print Server: Local
Driver Version: 2.2.9
Default: Yes
URI: usb://hp:psc 2400 series/MY3BMG237B6T
PPD: psc 2400 series
PPD File Version: 1.0
PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0
psc 2400 series (Fax):
Status: Idle
Print Server: Local
Driver Version: 6.2.2
Default: No
URI: CommApp://
PPD: hp fax
PPD File Version: 1.0
PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0
psc 2400 series-1:
Status: Idle
Print Server: Local
Driver Version: 2.7.2
Default: No
URI: usb://hp/psc 2400 series?serial=MY3BMG237B6T
PPD: hp psc 2400 series
PPD File Version: 1.0
PostScript Version: (3011.104) 0
USB DEVICE TREE
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0019
PCI Revision ID: 0x0000
PCI Vendor ID: 0x106b
Bus Number: 0x08
Ozone:
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: M-Audio
Product ID: 0x2008
Vendor ID: 0x0763
Ozone:
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: M-Audio
Product ID: 0x2008
Vendor ID: 0x0763
USB Bus:
Host Controller Location: Built In USB
Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBOHCI
PCI Device ID: 0x0019
PCI Revision ID: 0x0000
PCI Vendor ID: 0x106b
Bus Number: 0x09
Hub:
Version: 1.10
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Product ID: 0x1446
Vendor ID: 0x0451
PGMFHUB - SCSI Port:
Version: 1.33
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Xircom Inc.
Product ID: 0x0026
Vendor ID: 0x085a
vend_device:
Version: 2.12
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Product ID: 0x8025
Vendor ID: 0x085a
Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.22
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
Product ID: 0x1002
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Optical USB Mouse:
Version: 1.06
Bus Power (mA): 100
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Fujitsu Takamisawa Component
Product ID: 0x0302
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.22
Bus Power (mA): 250
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
Product ID: 0x0204
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
psc 2400 series:
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: hp
Product ID: 0x3611
Serial Number: MY3BMG237B6T
Vendor ID: 0x03f0
PGMFHUB - SCSI Port:
Version: 1.33
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Xircom Inc.
Product ID: 0x0026
Vendor ID: 0x085a
vend_device:
Version: 2.12
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Product ID: 0x8025
Vendor ID: 0x085a
Hub in Apple Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.22
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
Product ID: 0x1002
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Optical USB Mouse:
Version: 1.06
Bus Power (mA): 100
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Fujitsu Takamisawa Component
Product ID: 0x0302
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.22
Bus Power (mA): 250
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
Product ID: 0x0204
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Optical USB Mouse:
Version: 1.06
Bus Power (mA): 100
Speed: Up to 1.5 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Fujitsu Takamisawa Component
Product ID: 0x0302
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
Apple Pro Keyboard:
Version: 1.22
Bus Power (mA): 250
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: Mitsumi Electric
Product ID: 0x0204
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Computer, Inc.)
psc 2400 series:
Version: 1.00
Bus Power (mA): 500
Speed: Up to 12 Mb/sec
Manufacturer: hp
Product ID: 0x3611
Serial Number: MY3BMG237B6T
Vendor ID: 0x03f0
G4 (AGP) 1.4 GHZ (OWC) Mac OS X (10.4.8) 1.5 GB RAM, (2) 250 GB & (1) 120 GB HDs, 8500 Radeon, Acard ATA-133, HP 2410v

Greetings Rodney:
Thank you for your time and information.
Your saying 133MZ ram will work on 100MZ and 133MZ machines and but 100MZ ram will only work on 100MZ machines?
Is the 133MZ noticebly faster than the 100MZ machines? The Power Macintosh G4 "Digital Audio", tends to be a lower priced (used) machine, than the QuickSilver.
I forgot about the processor. Thanks for pointing that out. I contacted OWC and they gave me these compatible models for this particular processor:
• Power Macintosh G4 "Sawtooth" 100MHz Bus, Available in G4/350MHz, G4/400MHz, G4/450MHz or G4/500MHz speeds
• Power Macintosh G4 "Gigabit Ethernet" 100MHz Bus, Available in G4/400MHz, Dual G4/450MHz* or Dual G4/500MHz* speeds
• Power Macintosh G4 "Digital Audio" 133MHz Bus, Available in G4/466MHz, G4/533MHz, G4/733MHz, or Dual G4/533MHz* speeds
• Power Macintosh G4 "QuickSilver" 133MHz Bus, Available in G4/733MHz, G4/867MHz, or Dual G4/800MHz* speeds
• Power Macintosh G4 "QuickSilver 2002" 133MHz Bus, Available in G4/733MHz(Education only), G4/800MHz, G4/933MHz, or Dual G4/1.0GHz* speeds
G4 (AGP) 1.4 GHZ (OWC) Mac OS X (10.4.8) 1.5 GB RAM, (2) 250 GB & (1) 120 GB HDs, 8500 Radeon, Acard ATA-133, HP 2410v

Liquid cooled G5 issue

I have a dual 2.5ghz G5 Power Mac which recently started to make a horrid noise which I think was coming from the pump for the liquid cooling system. There was a sort of liquid sloshing sound and a whine like you get when your car windscreen cleaning system has run out of fluid.
I checked for coolant leaks and found nothing. I took the machine in to an Apple Service Center and they have now told me that the CPUs need replacing at a cost of £700. I don't trust this diagnosis. The machine ran fine, albeit at a higher temperature than normal.
I'm not interested in paying half what I paid for the machine brand new just to replace CPUs, particularly for a machine that is discontinued.
Can anyone offer me some suggestions as to what I can do about the machine?

Took primary tower in to apple today with coolant dripping from rear. . .
we run two G4 1ghz laptops, two G4 towers 500mhz and 466mhz. . newest computer of bunch craps out on me with a coolant leak?
APPLE PowerMac G5 Coolant Leaks World database report
http://www.fusina.net/G5coolantleaks/index-stats.php
Only 3 models were made with liquid coolant?
was quoted $625 for processor replacement $85 for hardware repair level-1 $710 total?
seems I made a mistake in purchasing liquid cooled mac. . .
the dual 2.5ghz accounts for 78% of failed coolant systems, check database link above, maybe apple could provide database with access for users to keep track of worst mac systems built. . .
there was another thread that apple decided to put into the archives at http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=957435&tstart=0
why does apple not have a uniform repair policy with these failed machines? Why do I need to speak with a manager and pursue all these avenues to deal with what seems to me a faulty piece of machinery that I have built system of peripherals around?
Manager at apple store has agreed to wave $100 diagnostic fee and to cover half cost of $710 repair bill. Not feeling great with the idea of paying $355+ in repairs for a computer that will probably start leaking once I put it back into high gear crunching data. . .
Others have had apple estimates of $1100 or even $2500 plus in overseas markets. . .
Could apple remove liquid cooling system, thereby eliminating future leaks/catastrophe's?
Plan on making calls to APPLE to see if repair can be cleared regardless of out of warranty status. Pains me to have bought liquid cooled computer knowing that Apple removed cooling system in future models. . .
Oh yeah found in the G5 online manual they say. . .
Liquid Cooling System, Some Power Mac G5 models use a liquid cooling system to manage the temperature in the computer. The liquid cooling system is sealed and is designed to be opened only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider (AASP). · Warning: Do not attempt to open or service the liquid cooling system. Opening the liquid cooling system may damage your equipment, and such damage may not be covered by the limited warranty on your computer.
· Warning: Always operate your computer in an upright position. In the unlikely event that coolant leaks in or from your computer, disconnect all electrical power to the computer and do not restart it. Contact an Apple Authorized Service Provider or Apple for information about servicing your computer. After disconnecting electrical power, you can clean up coolant using an absorbent cloth. Avoid inhaling or direct contact with skin. Coolant may cause minor skin irritation. If coolant contacts skin, wash well with soap and water. If coolant contacts eyes, rinse thoroughly with water. Dispose of all clean-up materials in accordance with your local environmental laws, regulations, and guidelines. Coolant may be harmful if swallowed. Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) are available at www.apple.com/environment/resources/msds.html.
•• alarming words I found are (some Power Mac G5 models), (unlikely event), (Avoid inhaling or direct contact with skin), (Dispose of all clean-up materials). . ahhhhh, why liquid cooled?
what to do what to do?

Possible G5 Leak appearing (pictures)

Hello Everyone,
I hope this isn't the millionth 'ahh i think my powermac is leaking!!' thread but It's probably close!
I have a Dual 2.7 G5 (Week of 30/04/05 as stated in Hardware Monitor). After hearing extremely loud fan revs and experiencing random sleeps that the computer cannot be woken from (I assume this is the auto-shutdown feature that enters the sleep mode), I decided to install hardware monitor to monitor the CPU temperatures. At idle several minutes after a fresh reboot, CPU A and B sit at ~65 Celcius (150 Fahrenheit) and ~80 (175 Fahrenheit) respectively.
Under 100% load (ie. the work that I do), the processors A and B exceed 85 celcius (185 fahrenheit) and 105 celcius (220 fahrenheit). Since one of my processors is hot enought to boil water, I am understandably worried. Upon close inspection, I found a spot of white residue in drip patterns just under the PCI/CPU 'separation plate'. See Image (
*I didn't know the cooling pipes went there...?
**This drip pattern proceeds a few inches behind the grey plastic on the right of the picture but it's impossible to photograph with my current camera.
This does not go away after spraying with a compressed air can (ie. not dust!).
Also, after a while of using complete CPU power the machine will enter sleep mode abruptly. The temperatures of the CPU B are usually over 100 celcius when this occurs. When I try to turn it back on, it will either kernel panic, or just stay with idle fans (no video, no sound, nothing but the power light and idle fans).
Seeing white residue in the pattern of drips and extreme temperatures on the CPUs brings me to the conclusion that my liquid cooling is leaking...(duh)
Does anyone have any experience with this? Or does anyone know if I can find a list of serial numbers that are prone to leaks (I've heard a particular batch has had problems).
Thanks a lot, your help is really appreciated!!!
PS. How does Apple customer service treat leaks (if it is really a leak)?
PSS. Would using a laparoscopic camera to investigate void my warranty?

Took primary tower in to apple today with coolant dripping from rear. . .
we run two G4 1ghz laptops, two G4 towers 500mhz and 466mhz. . newest computer of bunch craps out on me with a coolant leak?
APPLE PowerMac G5 Coolant Leaks World database report
http://www.fusina.net/G5coolantleaks/index-stats.php
Only 3 models were made with liquid coolant?
was quoted $625 for processor replacement $85 for hardware repair level-1 $710 total?
seems I made a mistake in purchasing liquid cooled mac. . .
the dual 2.5ghz accounts for 78% of failed coolant systems, check database link above, maybe apple could provide database with access for users to keep track of worst mac systems built. . .
there was another thread that apple decided to put into the archives at http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=957435&tstart=0
why does apple not have a uniform repair policy with these failed machines? Why do I need to speak with a manager and pursue all these avenues to deal with what seems to me a faulty piece of machinery that I have built system of peripherals around?
Manager at apple store has agreed to wave $100 diagnostic fee and to cover half cost of $710 repair bill. Not feeling great with the idea of paying $355+ in repairs for a computer that will probably start leaking once I put it back into high gear crunching data. . .
Others have had apple estimates of $1100 or even $2500 plus in overseas markets. . .
Could apple remove liquid cooling system, thereby eliminating future leaks/catastrophe's?
Plan on making calls to APPLE to see if repair can be cleared regardless of out of warranty status. Pains me to have bought liquid cooled computer knowing that Apple removed cooling system in future models. . .
what to do what to do?

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